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On 2010-04-20 18:15, dimazales wrote:
Jim you mean you did the 'subtle game' and people didn't catch on later that the deck was memorized as the result? It shouldn't be THAT surprising. Even if someone thought you had the list memorized (which they likely won't ) it still doesn't mean you have every position memorized . For example, quick what is the 15th letter of the alphabet? Smile


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On 2010-03-26 04:12, Loz wrote:
Yeah I did that calculation too. But I work on large search problems in my research and am going to chuck some genetic algorithms and large compute resources at it (when no one is looking of course Smile ) so we may get somewhere. But yes pretty unlikely!


Its worth pointing out that that number is approximately the same as the number of atoms in the observable universe.


Really? How close are the two? That'd be an interesting factoid to throw in amongst things like there are 666 eyes in a Bicycle deck (actually, there are 668 because of the two on the statue in the ace of spades) and there are four suits, four seasons, thirteen values, thirteen lunar cycles, 365 pips in a deck, 365 days in a year, etc.

Some of those may be incorrect. it's been a while since I pulled them out of my head for any good reason. Actually, I don't think there's ever been a good reason to pull them out of my head.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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Also, it doesn't make logical sense - why shouldn't you be able to find any card or perform any number of memorized deck effects after you've just called out the name of every single card in the deck? But audiences don't realize it or care, I guess.

Still stacking,

Jim Kawashima



Here is a story related to the above quote and this thread regarding stacking:
I was at a friend's house a couple of weeks ago and he knew I did card effects so he dug out a deck of blue bikes from a kitchen cupboard and asked me to show him and some other friends something. After doing a couple of impromptu effects, I decided to try to stack the deck in front of them (I use Mnemonica). I had never tried this before and couldn't do a switch because the deck in my pocket was red!

I first used "Memory Jumble" from Mnemonica to stack half the deck and then I "memorized" the other half and called out all the cards to complete the stack. I was amazed at how well it came off -- they had no idea I was stacking and I got great reactions! I was thinking that I should probably stop right there because I also thought that if you can call out that many cards everything else would be a lesser effect.

I was wrong because I did another memdeck effect and also got a great reaction. I think it helped to stack each half separately. Actually, one of the specs said that it was way more impressive that I used only half the deck because if you had used the whole deck "you could have just memorized all 52 cards"! I find that an interesting comment.

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On 2010-09-07 13:36, tomboston wrote:
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Also, it doesn't make logical sense - why shouldn't you be able to find any card or perform any number of memorized deck effects after you've just called out the name of every single card in the deck? But audiences don't realize it or care, I guess.

Still stacking,

Jim Kawashima



Here is a story related to the above quote and this thread regarding stacking:
I was at a friend's house a couple of weeks ago and he knew I did card effects so he dug out a deck of blue bikes from a kitchen cupboard and asked me to show him and some other friends something. After doing a couple of impromptu effects, I decided to try to stack the deck in front of them (I use Mnemonica). I had never tried this before and couldn't do a switch because the deck in my pocket was red!

I first used "Memory Jumble" from Mnemonica to stack half the deck and then I "memorized" the other half and called out all the cards to complete the stack. I was amazed at how well it came off -- they had no idea I was stacking and I got great reactions! I was thinking that I should probably stop right there because I also thought that if you can call out that many cards everything else would be a lesser effect.

I was wrong because I did another memdeck effect and also got a great reaction. I think it helped to stack each half separately. Actually, one of the specs said that it was way more impressive that I used only half the deck because if you had used the whole deck "you could have just memorized all 52 cards"! I find that an interesting comment.

Tom


That is a very odd comment, as wouldn't half the deck be easier to memorize? Unless they were speaking about seeing which card was missing during a selection which would be harder as there are 26 other cards also missing.

Any who, I always kinda like the method described in encyclopedia of card tricks, but it was such a long, and boring process. I like the idea of splitting it into two effects, finishing by calling only half he deck.

Now if only I could finish memorizing my stack, lol.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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I think he meant that if all the cards were there, I could just name them all eventually. For example, I may have some system that would allow me to hit every card in a full deck. And that is exactly what you are doing when you call the whole deck! But with what appeared to be just a random portion of a mixed-up deck, the "memorization" was that more amazing.

Calling half the deck actually did not take very long and I grouped cards that were near each other, for example, "I think you have a pair of queens, etc..." to vary it a bit. I then made minor adjustments if needed as they were handed to me. It turned out to be MUCH stronger than I thought. At least for the specs I had that night....

Now get memorizing!

PS Is this thread getting into methods too much and should be moved to Secret Sessions?
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On 2010-09-07 20:30, tomboston wrote:
I think he meant that if all the cards were there, I could just name them all eventually. For example, I may have some system that would allow me to hit every card in a full deck. And that is exactly what you are doing when you call the whole deck! But with what appeared to be just a random portion of a mixed-up deck, the "memorization" was that more amazing.

Calling half the deck actually did not take very long and I grouped cards that were near each other, for example, "I think you have a pair of queens, etc..." to vary it a bit. I then made minor adjustments if needed as they were handed to me. It turned out to be MUCH stronger than I thought. At least for the specs I had that night....

Now get memorizing!

PS Is this thread getting into methods too much and should be moved to Secret Sessions?


Yeah, that would definitely be the way to do it. Makes for a far more impressive feat that looks less like simply recalling from memory.

As for secret sessions, things like this make me wish for more specific secret sessions. Perhaps a secret session within each of the broader categories, like the mentalism section, stack section, worker's section, etc, or perhaps the reverse, with subcategories within secret sessions. Make secret sessions a whole section rather than just one subsection.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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