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michaelmystic2003 Inner circle 3156 Posts 
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Hey Guys,
It's been a while since I last posted a legitimate magic video, so here's one now. Ripped At The Seam is a torn-and-restored card effect using only one card that is based on the Paul Harris effect "The Ultimate Rip-Off". This effect will appear as a special bonus to people who purchase The Spring Change Video Download from Vanishing Inc Magic upon it's release in a week or two. I'd love to hear your thoughts, on all aspects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVEMa-2P00c Michael Kras
Learn more about my upcoming book of close up magic and theory SYNTHESIS & SECRETS: A Magic Book in Four Acts: https://www.michaelkrasworks.com/synthesis-secrets
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Vorezo Loyal user 248 Posts
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Haha loved the ending! Nice tnr too. Looking forward to the Spring Change!!
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4638 Posts
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Very nice Mike.
Was your mom yelling at you to make your bed?
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michaelmystic2003 Inner circle 3156 Posts
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LOL, touche
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6042 Posts
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Oh sure Michael, tease me some more with the SC coming SOON!
Nice job buddy! MMc |
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braunmagic Veteran user 373 Posts
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Michael,
Please understand that I am in no way trying to pick on you, but I just can’t help myself. I have often said that the most important and most overlooked part of a torn and restored card is the tearing sequence. If that is not convincing, then we seem to not have much of a plot. I understand wanting to only use one card and no extra pieces and all that completely impromptu stuff, But I must say that "Ripped at the seam" would benefit hugely from a 1/4 piece of playing card. You would still fake the first tear but while putting the first "piece" away steal the extra 1/4 card and then you could show me the second piece after you tear it off but before you put it away this could continue and even make some of the restorations look good. Hmmmmmmm seems like we just reinvented every other version of the piece by piece torn and restored card. The important part is the extra piece allows you to show the card torn. I can only say that what you are doing know is similar to cutting a lady in half with her feet hidden in the second box. I need to see her feet. It is the only reason cutting a lady in half is convincing its those silly fake electronic feet, or cadaver feet or extra woman with no upper torso what ever your method is I need to see feet! Maybe I am just upset by the idea that its okay to weaken an effect. If it makes it impromptu? My version of the torn and restored card uses a set up, but the tearing sequence is so convincing that the more they watch the more they are convinced their card is being torn and you end up with a card that can be examined. I personally prefer that over the might have been torn, looked like it was restored and non examinable versions. and to quote myself from a recent article "mean people suck!, trust me we do" Just my thoughts, Brent Braun |
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4638 Posts
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Brent makes a great point. What about using an extra piece that you can keep using to show you're actually tearing? I think that would make the routine a lot stronger and you could offer both handlings.
Ben
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3400 Posts
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On 2009-12-01 22:20, Ben Train wrote: First I agree with the above posts..Not showing a piece of torn card takes away from the effect...secondly the messy bed was distracting. If you are going to film yourself for the world to see...be as professional as you can be...that means that your background should show some class.....Other than that I enjoyed your presentation. I'll have to find some of those pig bone cards.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2737 Posts
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That wasn't bad. I agree that it would be better to show "each" torn off piece over it being implied that you are holding the "torn off piece. That was a good demo of it tho.
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The One Veteran user 325 Posts
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I never liked not showing the last piece in "Torn", or Yves Doumergue's "Ripped and Restored" for that matter. This is exactly like that, times 6.
However, just like in those 2 effects, there's a probability that this will work convincingly for every audience. The amount of probability might have to be divided by six though... I don't know if adding an extra piece would be worth it. If so, why not just add a complete card and perform "Torn"? The lack of anything extra is what gives Paul Harris's Rip-off an advantage over other versions, and why this exploration by Michael may also be of value. Thanks for sharing.
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Chad Sanborn Inner circle my fingers hurt from typing, 2205 Posts
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I thought the method was very obvious
Just the opposite of what magic should be |
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4638 Posts
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This may reveal my lack of knowledge regarding modern torn and restored sequence, but I liked the subtlety of being able to show both sides of the card after the second "rip"- and it was something I hadn't seen before.
There was a good point made above that mentioned one of the features of this routine was that it didn't need an extra piece, so adding one is actually a step back. Well there is so e validity to this argument as I mentioned it would be posible to include BOTH a one card version and a version with something else. Anyway, I like it. Needs some work still but I can see this playing quite well.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2737 Posts
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Even though a t&r card is a good effect I have to agree with something I heard Roger Klause say while discussing such things. Went something like this. When a card is torn and restored it's an o.k. effect in the spectators mind but doesn't mean as much as when a torn and restored bill is performed. Money means something a playing card is just that a playing card.
Yes I know Darwin Ortiz has a t&r card that takes care of some of that problem but I still don't think it makes it as strong of an effect. Playing cards don't have a reason for people to really care about them. Money does. |
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The One Veteran user 325 Posts
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On 2009-12-03 17:36, RS1963 wrote: This does depend on the style of performance however, as it could also be argued that what people should worry about is the impossibility of the event. If you need to use money to make people care about what you do, the magic is bad to begin with. Like I said though, this varies with style.
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michaelmystic2003 Inner circle 3156 Posts
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On 2009-12-03 15:32, Chad Sanborn wrote: Other magicians I've shown it to have said the opposite and some have even been fooled... I guess it all depends on the person. Laypeople, though, do not find it obvious... I use this a lot as my "real world" TNR effect. I've played with a dummy piece in use, but I feel it made the handling too cozy and the effect loses it's completely impromptu nature... I prefer to just go right into it instead of worrying about having a dummy piece on hand. With the right timing and body language, this is a deceptive piece.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2737 Posts
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On 2009-12-03 17:51, The One wrote: I understand what you are saying. But again I don't believe the spectators really care if you restore a playing card. Yes it's all in the presentation there is really very little to care about with a playing card.. When you rip, burn, or in any other way seemingly destroy someones money it brings more interest than tearing up a playing card signed or not. A playing card is still a so what item. Money isn't Your not going to hear someone say "Omg he just tore up My card!" You may very well hear someone say it for the bill however. |
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braunmagic Veteran user 373 Posts
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On 2009-12-03 17:36, RS1963 wrote: I must say I agree. That is why I when I perform any torn and restored effect it is usually my version of the "torn and restored baby" It is completely impromptu uses no extra pieces and since the baby is borrowed and signed it has huge emotional impact. Babies mean something a dollar is just that a dollar.
Just my thoughts, as sick and twisted as they may be. Brent Braun |
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braunmagic Veteran user 373 Posts
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As far as a torn and restored card having no emotional impact, All I can say is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yckzR_OO-Wk Just my thoughts, Brent Braun |
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RS1963 Inner circle 2737 Posts
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Very nicely done by Sterling but I'm still not convinced that a t&r card can be just as strong as when done with a borrowed bill.
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The One Veteran user 325 Posts
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So far I've very much liked Brent's analogies of sawing a lady in half and doing magic with baby. I smiled both times as I read them.
(I don't completely agree with the sawing in half analogy though, as boxes on stage will not always be the equivalent to the use of two hands in a close-up performance, but the point is valid enough) RS1963 if you are looking for proof look no further than these two commonly heard expressions: "Money makes the world go round" "Money isn't everything" While these expressions don't precisely contradict each other, they do show a different attitude towards the same subject; and a group of people sharing the attitude of the latter will constitute an audience for which your style (or John Carney's) might not be best. I'm not doubting, then, that you may have found what works for you. (Getting back to the topic of the thread...) Also depending on the audience, the context, and the style, the process of ripping a card may be quite a new one for your spectators -who may be used to having cards well kept, or who have never ripped a card themselves and don't exactly how easy or hard it is to do it, or who simply don't trust the actions of anyone called a "magician" - and for this reason I feel it may be necessary to have the option of being able to rip a card in a more "clean" manner for an effect of this kind. Again, I'm not doubting this can work. But I'm wondering Michael, would you mind sharing with us the context within which you perform this effect, and the audience it's been most effective on?
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