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Russell Davidson Inner circle Hampshire, England 1108 Posts |
Just received my first Stripper deck & stupidly opened it up without reviewing the DVD that came with it. Then the cards fell on the floor & went everywhere! I've gathered them up but they are now disorientated. Is this easy to fix as I believe they should be facing the same way. Any advice will be appreciated.
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pabloinus Inner circle 1681 Posts |
Facing the same way
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DomKabala Inner circle I've grown old after diggin' holes for 2827 Posts |
It's a good time to review the DVD now...
Cardamagically, DOM
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Russell Davidson Inner circle Hampshire, England 1108 Posts |
Just off now to watch it!
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
LOL! For starters they should all be the same way.
In real life, they're going to get dropped from time to time. Then you ca rely on using real magic. I love stripper decks! Don't forget to meet Magic Ian (magicians here one the Café) who wrote the book! Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Zebaztian Special user The Netherlands 655 Posts |
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On 2009-12-15 10:35, DomKabala wrote: That's the answer I had in mind as well. Am I a mindreader now?
My mind reading routines: http://www.basjongenelen.nl/goocheltrucs/. Scroll a bit down to the English routines.
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Russell Davidson Inner circle Hampshire, England 1108 Posts |
Thanks guys. I've watched the DVD now & everything is A-OK. I've only been doing magic for a year but I'm kinda glad I didn't discover the stripper deck before last week otherwise I would have never bothered learning the sleights that I have spent many hours practising. It's an awesome deck which I will use whenever I fancy giving my fingers the night off!
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ShirtlessKirk Loyal user 236 Posts |
Don't use it. Way too many laymen know about side strippers.
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RealityOne Loyal user 227 Posts |
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On 2009-12-18 19:58, ShirtlessKirk wrote: I think that is only a problem if you do a pick a card trick and then strip the card out of the deck right in front of them. There are lots of effects using a stripper deck where the method is anything but obvious (check out October's Genii for a good example in "Stipped Ease" where the spectator handles the deck). Also check out Hugard's Encyclopedia of Card Tricks for other effects with stripper decks.
~David
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Ross W Inner circle UK 1779 Posts |
I've lost count of the number of times a layman has selected a card and then, slowly and deliberately, turned it end-for-end before replacing it in the deck, with a "aha, now I've gotcha," twinkle in their eye. (OK, I haven't lost count - it's about ten times in about 30-odd years.) More often, after I have finished performing and the deck is available for inspection, someone might check if they're strippers.
Which means that some laymen really ARE aware of the stripper deck. Of course they are! They're sold in toyshops, it's an ancient principle, they're included in magic sets. Which isn't to say it's useless. Far from it. But, personally, I'd be reluctant to rely on it for a whole set. Try switching it in for an effect or two that you can only do with strippers and then changing it again. |
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RealityOne Loyal user 227 Posts |
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On 2009-12-19 12:14, ross welford wrote:Which means that some laymen really ARE aware of the stripper deck. Of course they are! They're sold in toyshops, it's an ancient principle, they're included in magic sets. I agree that some layman are aware of stripper decks. However, their knowledge of how it is used usually doesn't go beyond the pick a card then find a card type of tricks. If you are using it differently (perhaps more subtlely), they will never suspect it is a stripper deck. Nonetheless, I also agree that the best use of a stripper deck is for effects you can only do with a stripper deck. Just a side note... if you can get them, the "Factory Sealed" Bicycle stripper decks are very nice. They are machine cut and come with a double-backed card. It is extremely difficult to pick up on the gimmick without actually using it.
~David
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Concealing the mechanics of a stripper deck, and effectively rendering them invisible (even to magicians in the know) is a common ploy for the professional or dedicated amateur.
Laymen having knowledge related to the wedge shape of a playing card has absolutely nothing to do with highly effective card magic using a stripper deck. Those who speak to the stripper deck with suggestions like "don't use it" are mere duffers. |
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Russell Davidson Inner circle Hampshire, England 1108 Posts |
Just this weekend I was doing some magic for my friend at her Xmas / Magic themed party. She'd bought about a dozen gifts that contained magic tricks so guests could do little tricks too. Imagine my horror to see a few of them contained a Stripper deck! Thankfully I'd decided not to take mine so I was ok but it was a warning shot none the less. As Silverking says though, I think a routine using the Stripper's secret would still be ok as most laymen wouldn't make the connection. It's a bit like the TT. Use it to do anything apart from vanish a silk & you'll still be ok.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Because, as others have mentioned, stripper decks are in the consciousness of some spectators you have to use them for effects that don't immediately connect with a stripper deck. If you're planning on using it as a simple card control to get the chosen card to the top then I'd say you may want to spend some time looking at some basic card controls. On the other hand, you can do things with this deck that are phenomenal.
The Café's own Jon Thompson ONLY uses stripper decks when he performs. It would be good if he chimed in here with some advice. And remember, just because you are using a stripper deck doesn't mean you have to use the properties of the deck for each effect you do.
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Majere New user 15 Posts |
That's a very good point, if I use a stripper I do something else with it first like ACR using a tilt etc, people tend to forget about a stripper after that
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Jon_Thompson Inner circle Darkest Cheshire 2404 Posts |
I can't believe I missed this thread. Yes, I only use stripper decks. They're beautiful, versatile, and when cut well, almost undetectable barring very close examination and comparison with a normal deck.
I think the most important thing is to never draw attention to the deck. It's just a deck of cards, right? So never pull the object card directly out of the middle. But the power to control cards through the deck as you casually shuffle it is immense. You can't really lose a turned card, but more than that you can control a partial stack, meaning that a single deck can be set up for an entire routine. If you follow my sig link, there are a couple of books where I go into the deeper properties of the deck. I think my DVD, the amusingly titled "Strip With Jon Thompson" is still available, but I have a couple of copies here that I can send out if anyone's sufficiently interested. And if, like me, you've never been able to get your pass down, the stripper deck makes ACR routines a lot easier! |
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Roki Special user London 749 Posts |
I am very curious about using the stripper deck as it can so easily be used as a normal deck .
But as I can do most card sleights I am curious what tricks can only be done with a stripper deck . And are they good ! |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
The best single work I've yet seen using a stripper deck for Card Magic is Jon Thompson's DVD. (he posted right above you).
Your question "are they good" depends on your specific reference source.......but in the case of Jon's DVD, the answer would be "yes,they're most definitely good". |
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Roki Special user London 749 Posts |
Ok that's good to know . There was a recent dvd by Oz P. of Penguin too .
But I was curious before getting Jons dvd if anyone can say what is the best thing it allows you to do , that a card guy couldn't do anyway . For instance seperating the red/blacks after the spec has seen the shuffled deck( for out of this world ) or genuinly mixing up/down and showing (for triumph )would be more convincing I suppose . But these tricks work fine as they are . Is there anything particular that makes the stripper produce an unique effect? |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
That's a hard question to answer, as it's simply another tool in the card box.
For example: You can use a wedge stripper to put a deck down on the table while still "holding" a break. You could also do this with a crimp of some sort.........but with a stripper deck you don't have to put the crimp in, and also with a stripper deck the crimp can "move" from one card to another in the same trick and in the same deck. And on it goes. The mistake most make with a wedge stripper deck specifically is to think of it in terms of red/black separation or some other typical trick from the $1.95 stripper deck book from Royal Magic. A stripper deck is as shallow, or as deep as you want it to be. If you move beyond wedge strippers to the likes of end strippers, belly strippers, etc, etc.........well, you can pretty much do anything with a deck of cards that you can dream up. Further, if you combine (for example) end strippers and belly strippers in the same deck, suddenly you're doing things you couldn't do with sleights alone. There are another half a dozen types of stripper decks in addition to the ones I mention in this post. They only get better and more deceptive. So the answer to your question is "yes" |
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