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Davidmagicman Regular user 123 Posts |
Hi!
I have a question about the 20 century silk. Is there a nongimick version? and if, where can I find it? From/ David The Magicman
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David The Magicman |
Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
Yes,
Carlyle's 20th Century Silks. Tarbell Vol. 4 Lesson 56 or Rice's Encyclopedia of Silk Magic Vol. 2 Carlyle's Rainbow 20th Century page 978. There may be others but that's one. I don't use a rubber band and it works for me. -Mary Mowder |
Hansel Inner circle Puerto Rico 2492 Posts |
I see a website years ago in where they publish a ungimmicked version of the effect. I print it and hav it in my archives. If you want, send me a pm with your address and I would send you a copy by mail. Honestly I like a gimmicked one by a good dealer ( Hughes magic or Abbotts etc.)
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
I also make an ungimmicked version in various sizes and patterns.
Contact me if you need more information. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
David,
Not to burst your bubble, but the real reason I import gimmicked 20th Century silks is because pros do use them commercially. They typically used the ungimmicked when doing body loads in conjunction with the 20th Century silk. The 24" size is common there. No matter how you handle the effect mechanically, it is a dynamite effect. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
Davidmagicman Regular user 123 Posts |
Okey, Bob. but I want to be clean all the time.
I will also use all the silk in the next trick in my show that why I want the ungimmicked 20 Century Silk. From/ David The Magicman
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
David,
I understand that too. In my shows I try to use whatever is left in my hands in the next effect. "Clean" is something we should want. It is exactly why I combine 20th Century silk with Silk to Egg on stage and why my Knots-Off Silk has no holes. They are just steps in a routine. However, there is a world of difference between the gimmicked 20th Century Silk sets sold in magic shops & on the Net and the ones we have custom made for the pros. (A magic shop would never stock a 24" Twentieth Century Silk set with a wholesale cost of $60. In the mass market, most gimmicked 20th Century Silk sets aren't even real silk. They also flash, can't be shown square and the load often dumps out accidentally when picked up wrong.) There are very real differences. Once in Florida I was accused of only doing three effects in my show and I did closer to 45 individual tricks. Most never recognized the transitions. Well choreographed, color changes etc. are an expected part of the magic and not even counted as a separate effect. Magicians were fooled. As the magicians' silk importer, we sell plenty of silks for 20th Century Silks both ways. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
My silks are all 100% silk. There also different weight of silks which is important. The heavier the momme weight the more opaque the silk is and more strain it will take on the silk. Certain colors are also more opaque than others. My 20th century silks are all 8 momme or thicker.
One reason guys use the gimmick silk is for ease in set up and working in outdoor windy conditions. The ungimmicked version can be done outdoors and is quick to set once you learn it. But there is a slight learning curve. As for being clean at all times, don't run if you are not being chased. Laymen do not know nor should they or even care how you do an effect. It is the routine and the effect that matters. If you use 52 cards all the same to force a card It is the same effect to a layman as doing a classic fan force. Now if you want to use the silk reproduced and the other silks for something else after the reappearance, that is understandable. Also on 20th Century by changing the colors of the outer silks, the vanished silk or the pattern of the vanish, you can have a new effect for repeat shows. For instance, I make at least 6 different combinations of tie dye silks. Bob Sanders has several design silk that can be used. It is the same trick but not the same to the audience. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
I use ungimmicked silks for my handling. I use one standard gimmick for both the vanish and appearance, but it's easy to ditch. PM me for details.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
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On 2009-12-20 17:28, Alan Munro wrote: Depending on your show, there are times when this is the only option available. It works! There are times when I give the silk away and have to do that. Frankly, I very much prefer the gimmicked version over the ungimmicked version. But I use a pro version of the gimmicked one instead of a cheaper magic shop "bargain" and avoid the problems, like flashing, that come with them and the ungimmicked versions. (Company logos on silks I give away because they get future bookings.) However, in my lectures, what I advise people who are paranoid about being caught with gimmicked 20th century silks to do is to simply vanish the end product in a blendo, do a body production (dove, soft drink, etc.) and then hand the whole works off to an assistant and move on. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
chmara Inner circle Tucson, AZ 1911 Posts |
IMHO Bob hit the nail on the head. The use of cheap silks or props made from cheap silks -- ruins more effects than one could imagine in a nightmare. And, my experience has been that magician who buy certain items (silks, flowers) on just price end up with a lot of stuff sitting around unused.
Silk is much more than a throw away filler set of tricks with its ability to bring color and grace to a show when properly done. What do I mean by properly done? Well first consider color. Silk will look different under different lighting -- and I remember several conversations with Richard and Peter at P&A about dies that look great under different conditions and do not go weird under stage lighting. And as Richard points out above the weight of the silk can be a magician's best friend against backlighting. Years ago when I bit the bullet and started paying what then seemed "outrageous prices" for good silk just to try it out -- I learned the difference quickly and started converting everything I did in silk to pro level materials. Yes, it was expensive but I have had less problem with pro level silks than mass produced stuff. AND, like all magic, the craftsman who creates the best should earn the best rewards for his/her work. Sometimes, when too broke to buy the best but needing materials to complete the act -- I got some second level (still not the cheap) stuff that has been more than adequate for years of use -- but it does not feel quite the same as material I got from P&A and Richard. (I have never had the pleasure of using Bob's materials.) Most of their work is museum quality AFTER it has been used for season. So- back to the question at hand. Get the best silks you can afford -- from reputable suppliers who are consistent in delivering quality. These silks should be of the opacity and colors you need to work the silks in folds, gathers, hides and compressions that can preclude the use of pre-sewn gimmicks for the person who is willing to put in the prep time, the learning effort on handling -- and the performance practice to make the routine smooth -- in fact smoother than a load of gimmicked material that cannot be audience handled.
Gregg (C. H. Mara) Chmara
Commercial Operations, LLC Tucson, AZ C. H. Mara Illusion & Psychic Entertainments |
Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Gregg brings another reality to view. Class and quality never go out of style. There is a tremendous difference in spending money and investing. (As Americans will ultimately learn.) Some "opportunities" have to knock loudly. It is all they have to offer.
There is a real reason why the best of musicians still demand the best of musical instruments. Mature professional magicians know why. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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