Need I be a "top-notch player-hustler-cheat" to say that unlike the old days, shiners are rarely used in money games?

Lighten up and you might learn something.

If they work, they work.

I think Arnold, the shiner goes on the dealing hand, not the deck hand. Then as you draw the card off the deck and deal it you can see the index.

Also, depends if you're left or right handed and where the index will be in relation to the fingers.




Good video, btw.

Arnold,
Why are you even bothering debating this tool?
BTW, I am having a hard time opening this video too!

Paul

@Paul

Well, I enjoy to talk about every side of the art at cheating at cards. I agree that shiners are rarely in use nowadays, but in some cases you can meet a donkey trying to use it. As artwo says, why not when it works?

The main trouble I face when talking in this MC area is that many guys just think about Doc or professional card hustlers. But you don't have to make your living playing at cards to face cheats around your table! Nor you have to play $25K or $100K bankroll no limit games to watch good artists at works... The truth is that you can meet cheats everywhere.

I'm not a professional card cheat, I've never been one, I'll never be one. I've never said that what I've seen or what I know is the definitive truth nor of any interest. We're in a public place and everyone has the right to give his advice.

But I,ve played a lot and met many cheats. I think that guys bump into me once in a while for that, not being Steve Forte, Z or DocJon and giving my point of view nevertheless. I've got a rough style of speech too. But I just don't care that much because probably 90% of the guy making laugh about me have merely never played a single penny in their life . Do they even know what a straddle is?

To give you just an idea about how I'm thinking, let's keep going with shiners. Of course you'll seldom see a shiner in a big private game with professional players and dealer! Who do you think I am? A fish having been instructed about Poker rules 1 day ago? But in some low class games chances exist you can see one once in a while. And that's what is of great interest to me. I don't care that much about huge mythical games with fairy fingers hustling a stupid Japanese millionaire (albeit cold deck, marked cards and hidden cams would be a better idea than a sleight of hand artist...). What I care is EVERYTHING about cheating. EVERYTHING. Low class techniques, clever ideas, stupid ones, electronic scams, poor style check stealing, high level sleight of hand technique, etc. I enjoy everything.

Then, I'm sorry for the pros if shiners are not in use in their cardrooms or clubs but when I see a donkey trying to see the indexes with his reflective card guard, I'm simply happy. Happy because I've learned a new stuff. And if someone ask me "have you ever seen shiners really in use?", I'll answer "yes. Once, in a funny 5/10 game, blablabla". No more, no less.

But people are too elitist sometimes .

Happy hollydays to all.

Thank you so much, here you go again !

Very nice gift for Xmas Arnie

xoxo

Of course shiners are still in use, I'm not at all debating that. All I ever said is that they are much less used today when compared to 60+ years ago.

I get called a tool for merely correcting AMcD's statement about the popularity of the use of shiners in money games, to which he even agrees.

AMcD, you're right, there are elitists here.

So how early would I be if I said seconds and bottoms are really in use?

The downloads annoyed me but good work mate. was worth it

Guys

I think we must have a talk about this "downloading" stuff.

What annoys you exactly? They're not that huge to download! There are 25 or 30 videos on my website and the biggest one is about 10MB. The average is about 4MB. It just takes a few seconds to download!!! Plus, you can easily save it on your computer to watch'em as many times as you please.

I don't really understand the trouble. Are you such in a hurry you just can't wait a few seconds? There are worse things in life I'm afraid...

What do you want, streaming? Is there any advantage of it? Fell free to give your opinions.

May be these guys have some browser plugin that plays the video directly in the browser ... so it might take time to download the video to a temporary place and play in in the browser.... if such is the case then please just right click and save the video to your computer and then you can view it from your pc...