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Flyswatter Veteran user 370 Posts 
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When you're practicing for a new sleight of hand in general (in my case coins), or try to perfect or improve on your old moves and make it as smooth as possible, what are some key factors and can you give me some tips on how to improve myself?
Key timing, misdirections,angles, hand gestures, body postures, sound effects, trying different ways to present the effect, etc. I practice palming coins constantly and whenever I can,walking around, doing stuff while CP a coin. I'm trying to make my hand look as natural as possible. However sometimes friends do call me out on the hand that is palming something even after I've done the hand wash. But after hours of practicing in front of a mirror and watching videos online, and even recording myself so I can study myself by watching it, the whole thing just doesn't look natural and smooth. My fingers are really skinny and long, sometimes the silver coin can flash through the cracks so I usually keep my fingers close to each other. However it looks rigid and unnatural to me.Would different types of hands adapt to different styles of manipulating the coins? How do you guys practice? and how do you guys improve your skills? and how do you guys transition effects to effects as smoothly as possible? What recommendations would you give me? Oh and my hand wash look SO unnatural to me, any tips on that? Thank you so much! Dennis |
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rgranville Elite user Boston area 462 Posts
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Read The Ostrich Factor by Gerald Edmundson. It covers how to effectively practice sleights and effects.
DON'T conflate sleights and effects. Sleights are your tools. A well done sleight is invisible to your spectators. Effects are your results. They are the impression you leave with your spectators. Sleights and effects both need to be practiced, and need to be practiced differently. Read The Ostrich Factor. :banana: |
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MagicWGH Regular user Covington, LA 164 Posts
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Sleights WILL differ in different hands. Instead of reading and positioning your hands, fingertips, pads of fingers, etc. exactly as it says, know what the end result is and adjust the sleight to YOUR hands. Not my advice but that of Dai Vernon's in the "Revelations" DVDs.
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Alex Palombo Regular user Abington, Pennislyvania 105 Posts
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On 2009-12-23 02:09, Flyswatter wrote: I agree
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BCS Inner circle 1079 Posts
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I have found that it is good to keep a journal and track your progress.
Have fun, Bruce |
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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts
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Some people can never classic palm well. Been practicing over 2 years and my CP still looks like crap IMHO. It really is just about your hand structure and you hope are you a person with the gifted hand structure , with practice, to get a great CP.
Good luck, keep practicing! |
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HerbLarry Special user Poof! 731 Posts
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On 2009-12-23 09:20, rgranville wrote: "So won't you listen to what the man said..." Paul
You know why don't act naive.
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17198 Posts
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On 2009-12-23 09:20, rgranville wrote: Another vote for the Ostrich Factor. Stuff in that book took me 25 years to learn on my own. Well worth the money, well worth reading and re-reading.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3621 Posts
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Agreed! One more vote for Ostrich Factor- just what is needed...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Flyswatter Veteran user 370 Posts
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Will pick the book up as soon as possible, thanks for the replies guys!
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ShirtlessKirk Loyal user 236 Posts
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I have the same problem with finger palm flashing because of "gaps". You can either gain a lot of weight and fill in those gaps (not recommended). Or you can limit your use of finger palm. There are ways of altering your grip with it to close up the gap and prevent flash, play around with the grip and you should find it. Also hand washing techniques after a vanish are very hard to get away with. Especially with friends who know what your natural body language is. A departure from norm brings suspicion. Try using a complete vanish or make sure the vanish is incorporated into a larger routine where it is not as isolated.
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Robert The Magical Radway New user 84 Posts
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I agree with ShirtlessKirk, basically if you have "windows," I do too, you can just not use the finger palm that much, you could also learn the edge palm, witch is basically palming the coin with one finger on it's edge.
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Andrew Morse Regular user Corvallis, OR 157 Posts
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Hang some keys on your little finger while you fingers are pointed away from you, and you thumb pointed up. Now lift the keys using only your little finger. This can help build the muscle needed for the CP, thus making it look more relaxed.
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Gerald Veteran user Texas 321 Posts
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Rgranville, Father Photius, mandarin
Thank you for your comments about The Ostrich Factor. I also agree! 
Best, Gerald |
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Gerald Veteran user Texas 321 Posts
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http://www.geraldedmundson.com/tof1/bookorder.htm
is the correct link for information about The Ostrich Factor. http://www.theostrichfactor.com link no longer functions. Thanks, Gerald |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3205 Posts
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You're not practicing enough.
*due to The Magic Cafe's editorial policies, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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Jim Oliver Regular user Las Cruces, New Mexico 141 Posts
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Here is some more advice that no one else has mentioned.
Get the Tommy Wonder Visions of Wonder DVDs. He does some coin routines that are totally awesome and he provides insight on how to use the proper attention control to take the heat off of your hand that is palming the coin. Jim
Ed Marlo rules
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terrychylton New user United Kingdom 18 Posts
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Just a thought that would apply to anything you are learning. If you are putting that much practise in and aren't seeing any benefit at all, maybe go back to where you first learnt the sleight and check you haven't got into any bad habits that are stopping you from progressing. There might be something you over looked or forgot from just practising on your own without the Book/DVD there to remind you of what you are meant to be doing. If you have got into a bad habit any amount of practise will be useless whether you did for the next 2 weeks or 2 years. I'm not saying you definitely didn't learn it properly in the first place at all, I'm sure you did. I'm just saying it is always worth checking if you are worried after that amount of practise. The worst it can do is give you confidence that you just need to practise more and it will come with time and patience. Good luck.
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shamsiel Regular user 120 Posts
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On 2009-12-23 09:20, rgranville wrote: Im a rookie and its the first time I hear about this book. And since I love reading, I will get this. Thanks for the advice! Quote:
I saw Rene Lavand perform a very long time ago. Didint even know his name until I saw a video of his posted in the Café. You can the sleights are invisible and the Effect is very good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StKW1BoRpus Quote:
On 2011-04-11 13:52, gaddy wrote: I am guilty of this crime. Respects, Shamsiel. |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3205 Posts
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We all are.
*due to The Magic Cafe's editorial policies, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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