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I know I'm a newbie but here is some advice:
NEVER say the word trick, and here is why-
1. It sounds cheap.
2. We don't do "Tricks".

I mean seriously I hate being tricked. don't you?

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I agree...Whenever I hear "Let me show you a "trick" I cringe. Rather, as Eugene Burger states..."Let me show you something amazing" sounds much better and much more professional.
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There are many things I don't get to define.
What I do is one of them.
I can label it and people will call it what they want, and they are correct.
So when someone says "I liked your tricks" and hands me money I always acquiesce.
To do otherwise would be rather Black & Decker.

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One of my "tricks" was useful for instruction of those who would invariably ask me to "do a trick." I'd offer them a piece of chewing gum... from a snapping gum pack. When they got caught, I would say, "THAT'S a trick." Then I would ask them to call out the name of a card as I reset the snapper. As soon as they said the name of the card aloud, I would thrust the snapper out into the air and apparently snap a card... their chosen card... from the air. "THAT'S magic," I would say. "Do you want me to show you TRICKS or MAGIC?" I was prepared to go either way with a "Joy Buzzer" TRICK or a business card MAGIC effect.
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I agree, the word "trick" is demeaning to the art form and I try to avoid it whenever possible. "Trick" does not acknowledge the complexities of the art, and reduces magic to the simple act of being fooled. MAGIC is about entertaining, engaging and amazing people, not fooling them.
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I never use it, in spanish is " truco " and this word have many not so good definitions!
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I love tricks. I made a 60 year old man giggle with a trick once. "That's a great trick." is the highest compliment anybody could ever pay me.
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I have no problem using the word 'trick'.
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Hey,
I mean everyone has there opinions and personally IMHO it just sounds stupid to say "trick". Also, Spellbinder, I like your idea of the snapping gum.

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What we do are tricks that are supposed to look like magic.
The laity knows this.
Magic is a very strong word.
Using the word magic can bring out the 'challenger' in people.
E.g.:"That's not magic! It's just a trick!"
And they're right.
I've heard lay people use the word "trick" more than I've heard "magic".
It really boils down to your style, character and presentation.

I'll use phrases like 'something cool' and 'neat illusion' before I use 'trick' or 'magic'.
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I could care less about the word trick. No matter what you call it, the audience knows it's a trick. In fact I think it's more impressive to tell them it's a trick and then astound them anyway. Embrace what you do; you're already lying just by doing magic, don't make it worse by pretending that your lies aren't lies.
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There's a lot more to this than just a visceral response to the word "trick".

A while ago I was feeling ambitious and pumped out a first draft of a book devoted to the different kinds of performer archetypes within magic. Here's a brief quote...

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The reason why I feel these archetypes are important to explore is because there is often heated debate in the magic community about certain elements that are best addressed simply by looking at it from the point of view of, if not archetype, then of character. But for the moment let’s look at it from the point of view of archetypes, since one of the things that I feel defines archetypes is the fact that they embody a group of performers that are joined by common approaches to specific issues in magic.

For instance, should the performer ever use the word "trick"? A seemingly inconsequential question, but one that Maskelyne and Devant devote a whole section to in "Our Magic". They have their set answer you can read for yourself, but in my opinion, depending upon your archetype, there is no set answer. A Mentalist archetype would shudder at the thought -- if not because it diminishes the power of his effects, but because it suggests solutions that are contrary to his aim (specifically, that his mental powers do all the work). The Mentalist wants a convincing illusion that everything he does is accomplished by the power of the mind. Calling something he does a "Trick" on the other hand can undermine this. A Jester, on the other hand, might relish the use of such a word, since it underscores his intentions, which is to fool and deceive his audience. To provide a third point of view, there is the Manipulator who does a silent act... what opportunity does he even have to use the word? This question is immaterial to him.


The Mentalist, The Jester, and the Manipulator were three proposed archetypes out of 13 in the book. An archetype essentially determines the performer's relationship to the "magic" he presents and gives clarity to what the audience should take away from his performance.

I'm currently very deep in the Jester camp. My own reason for enjoying the word "trick" so much is that it encapsulates what magic means to me... it's a sharing of tricks. I like the idea of a bunch of guys sitting around with a deck of cards, or whatever, and passing them around, and each of them doing the best trick they know.

When I work professionally, I don't want to sell what I do as "magic" because that's a claim I can't live up to. I can't fly around the room, or read minds, or change $1 into $100 (and let them keep it). Most people who call themselves magicians can't do that either. I try to connect with the audience through that fact, as I feel it's a valid one. What's more, if somebody in a close-up performance says he knows a trick, I'll stop what I'm doing and give him the cards, and ask with sincerity to see it.

Instead, what I do are tricks. They're good tricks, and I bust my *** to make them as deceptive and entertaining as I know how, but I don't want to deal with somebody who wants to superimpose their concepts of magic onto me. I have a reason for performing the tricks that I do, but I'm not going to call them magic or myself a proper magician -- I've got bigger fish to fry.

Man is not the biggest, fastest or strongest animal on the planet. We are, however, the most dominant, and this is due in large part to our cleverness. Sometimes we turn that cleverness on each other, and this is a fascinating thing to me. It's a big part of what my philosophy towards magic is all about, and I choose my tricks accordingly.

Incidentally, I don't care if somebody else eschews the word "tricks" when they perform or present themselves as a magician. That's their artistic choice.
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Totally agree with Andrew, I even had some incidents where pple would say "oh, show me the trick were I select a card and you find it in your wallet..." or "show me that trick with the cups..."
from what I experience, people are not stupid, and that's why I like to treat them as equals...i m not more clever then any of them, and I don't have any supernatural power...i'm just there to entertain with magic
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The way I see the 'T' word, is that when you purchase a magic prop, that in it'self is a 'trick' on it's own. If you 'just' go through the motions that is all it will ever be.

If there is a 'reason' on bringing out the prop, such as when with friends, and you say, 'do you want to see some magic', or do as a friend of mine does when he's smoking, he says, 'Im eco-friendly, I don't use ash trays or throw my butts on the floor, I just make them disappear'. Then this becomes unexpected, and becomes 'magic'

A magic act is a string of these reasons, so it becomes a magic show, a magician's act has never been billed as a 'trick' show!!

I agree though, that if you are showing something that is out of context, then all it is, is a 'trick'. In context with something, it's magic.
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On 2009-12-29 18:30, tjaymagic wrote:
The way I see the 'T' word, is that when you purchase a magic prop, that in it'self is a 'trick' on it's own. If you 'just' go through the motions that is all it will ever be.

If there is a 'reason' on bringing out the prop, such as when with friends, and you say, 'do you want to see some magic', or do as a friend of mine does when he's smoking, he says, 'Im eco-friendly, I don't use ash trays or throw my butts on the floor, I just make them disappear'. Then this becomes unexpected, and becomes 'magic'

A magic act is a string of these reasons, so it becomes a magic show, a magician's act has never been billed as a 'trick' show!!

I agree though, that if you are showing something that is out of context, then all it is, is a 'trick'. In context with something, it's magic.


I like this take on it, the "trick" is the method but there is more to the act than that.
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I didn't think you did Tjaymagic, I thought you implied those things.. I guess the question is though are those components of an act part of the "trick" or not?
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To re-itterate what I said, the prop is the trick. Everything that is used in the act, that is pshycology, misdirection, stage management, acting, stage lighting, sound... you get the gist, makes it a 'magical' entertainment.

If your personality lets you perform 'tricks' where you get outstanding results in a 'real world' setting, then that could also be considered magic.

It is wholly dependant on the situation, the person and the auidence.

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Hmm I kinda like that idea
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