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Pete Biro
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Who is the audience for your CLOSE-UP SHOW????
If you just want to ENTERTAIN laymen, you can't miss with the Vernon Routine (how to find it has been mentioned several times ie: Ammar).

Go to YouTube and see Dai Vernon's routine, go to http://www.petebiro.com (click on "Pete's on TV" and see my way of doing the Vernon routine) and see what a layperson's reaction can be.

The key is to be yourself, love what you are doing, be totally confident and relate with your audience.
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Really, Pete, you are 100% correct! There are a lot of variations, but really? It's all down to the basics. Members, if you haven't already, check out Pete's site! Also watch him here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0bmVIJeIv0

Really, look at her reaction! Look how natural Pete is! It just flows! I first heard of Pete Biro when he wrote The Reel Works in Linking Ring Magazine. This is the first time I ever saw him do "live" magic. I was so happy to see him here, when I first joined The Magic Café in 2003.

Really, the Vernon Routine is my favorite.

Doug
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On 2010-10-26 10:07, Swann101 wrote:
I am also suprised not to see Tommy Wonder being mentioned. Although this might also not be seen as a entry routine, his got some amazing ideas. I loved the theory behind all his moves and it has definately been one of the best routines I have ever seen!


I agree with you to this extent. Understanding the theory behind Tommy Wonder's moves and the way he has conceived this routine is very important. But it's more important for someone who is getting ready to add a routine to his act to learn the groundwork to the cups and balls first.
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Pete Biro
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Yes... the GROUNDWORK first.

You don't need a set of cups or a routine. Any cup will do.

Learn a convincing, simple false transfer and a French Drop.

Learn to finger palm a ball and load it under a cup (WITH BOTH HANDS) so it looks like you are just setting the cup down without loading anything.

As Vernon PREACHED learn to handle small objects naturally.
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A word of advice in crafting a routine. Watch a lot of the routines on YouTube. A lot. Go back and watch the lame ones again and ask why was it lame? Then watch the fun ones and ask why was it fun?

I once sat through a video of about 8 minutes of cup and ball manipulation done to music. I could not see the sleights, but I was so bored that I was ready to cry. There was more to go and I could not make myself watch it. I still shudder at the thought of a wand being pushed through a hand because of that routine. Very skillful, but dead dull.

One of my favorites is by Roland Henning. Just about 2 minutes long, uses 2 cups, big German guy being sort of silly and surprising me with his cups. Another favorite is by Charlie Frye. Both are on YouTube. Use the search function.

As soon as your sleights are clean, figure out how to make your routine really fun. As sad as it is to watch poor performances, I find that I learn more from the negatives than from just watching good routines. Find a way to break loose from just doing the tricks and get into the performance instead.

-Patrick
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Thanks for this, I am also a noobie trying to pick up some cups and balls. I am ordering the Ammar video now!
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I have a feeling L&L Publishing will come out with a three volume Cups and Balls DVD in the future. "Magicians World's Greatest Cups and Balls".
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Dynamike, was that a joke?

Assuming it wasn't they came out with it...last year, I think. I've got all three, and they're excellent.

Here's a link to Volume 1.
http://www.llpub.com/zenshop/index.php?m......_id=2590

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To me the top routine to this day remains Kent Gunn's

Now I could make a long list of really excellent routines where Paul Gertner (steel ball bearings), Johnny Thompson, Dick Biow (original opening with sponge balls), Samuel Leo Horowitz (original opening), Pete Biro (time displacement), Bill Palmer (exceptional knowledge of the C&Bs), Tommy Wonder (misdirection master), Doctor Franklin Taylor (tricked cups), Michael Ammar (great selection of the best moves around), Dominique Duvivier (additional cup appearing magically), Eddie Joseph (books), Bruno Copin (use of invisible thread), Duraty (side magnet), Bob Read (cups of different nature and huge misdirecting moves), Fred Kaps (timing), Frank Garcia (book and gags), Ross Bertram (original moves), Senor Mardo (original moves), Jean Caroly (plenty of 1902 original sequences popularized by the Vernon routine), Burtini (original routine design), Aldo Colombini (remaining casually two ahead), John Ramsay (misdirection), Dan Fleshman (worker's presentation with a fourth load), Leo Leslie (multicolor balls sequence), Raphael Benatar (elegance), John Mendoza (routining and misdirection), David Regal (cups in cups), David Williamson (squeaker and misdirection), William Zavis (side magnet in the wand) ... would be duly celebrated but the list would be too too incomplete and too long forcing me to apologize too many times to magicians doing great routines that I love but that didn't jump to my mind quick enough.
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Hey, is there such a list like the one you initiated Lawrence ?
That's pretty interesting as each creator ads his own touch to the classical effect.
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On 2010-10-30 07:22, Billgussen wrote:
Dynamike, was that a joke?

Assuming it wasn't they came out with it...last year, I think. I've got all three, and they're excellent.

Here's a link to Volume 1.
http://www.llpub.com/zenshop/index.php?m......_id=2590

Bill

I did not know that. Thank you for notifying me.
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I also found the list very interesting! I would also add Jason Latimers glass cup routine and Shaun Farquhar's amazing routine to the list with his kicker solid cups ending.
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Reality check here, Swann101. Neither of those two routines is available on a DVD. We are SPECIFICALLY discussing DVD's for the person who wants to learn the cups and balls, not what routines we like. You can't even find Shaun Farquhar's routine on YouTube, because he is protecting it.
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On 2010-10-31 10:49, Lawrence O wrote:
To me the top routine to this day remains Kent Gunn's



I gotta put Lawrence O on the darned payroll!

If you send me an email, a DVD with this routine can be yours for a small price. (ok not all that small price) kentgunn@hotmail.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t__UnSXmjvc

KG

PS Thank you Etienne!

PPS This is not really a good routine to start with!
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One of the most entertaining routines, by far, is by Nick Nickolas, the street performer. It goes with the theme of his entire act. A great ending. Funny stuff throughout. Nick is a great entertainer.
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Thanks for the info here. I ordered the 1st and 2nd Ammar DVDs. Here's to expanding my closeup!
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Bill Palmer
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I stood next to Kent Gunn for three days at the WMS two years ago. I watched him do that routine many times.

I never got tired of it. I really think Kent has done some major work here.

It's a great routine. As he says, it's not for a beginner.
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Kent Gunn's routine is a wonderful work.
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I gotta say, though I love the Michael Ammar DVDs, there are so many moves and variations it can be a little overwhelming. If you work through Bob White's DVD, you'll really be able to do a great C&B routine at the end. Also, it's only 1 DVD.
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Cups and balls by Bill Malone!!!! that's what its about
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