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Paul Budd
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I've been a member of the IBM for 3 1/2 years now (technically, my dues are a bit in arrears....but I will renew them soon!!)......I like our little Ring in Tyler, Texas; I haven't e-mailed anyone this, but I was wondering: Why couldn't the IBM make available, free for all members on their website, ALL Linking Ring issues from the 1920's and 1930's? It could easily be done....I don't know if anyone has ever asked.
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The Linking Ring archives from 1923 to 2007 are available on CD through magician.org for $150.00. Naturally, there's a cost involved in scanning these journals into the archives, so the CD's are being sold. The search enabled CD with download capability to various word processing formats is a great resource. Considering the cost involved, I doubt that we'll see these archives offered free of charge on line any time soon.

http://www.magician.org/portal/en/node/327
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I'm not sure how far they go back, but I believe many of these are also available at Ask Alexander through the Conjuring Arts Research Center.
Paul Budd
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Thanks, guys for your input, honestly I mean that.....however:

A) I'd heard it said that this set of CD's (it's a big set)is no longer available.....does someone know for certain?
B)No, I mean FOR THE COST OF MY DUES....NOTHING EXTRA....RIGHT NOW....THIS MINUTE....AVAILABLE FOR THE COST OF MY DUES (which, as I'd mentioned are a bit in arrears....so, how much can I gripe, right?)

.....mind you, I could contact some higher ups in the IBM....I just haven't yet.........whatever costs may've been associated in that project will certainly not be negatively (or positively, for that matter) impacted by making Linking Rings from the 1920's and 1930's available for free to the current membership.

What's bubbling inside of me is: what do I GET FOR MY DUES?? I've enjoyed the honor of being a proofreader for the Linking Ring....I mean that. Honestly, (this will be snarky and I'm very sorry....seriously, I am)......but you know how a'lot of young whipper snappers say, "Uh, the IBM sucks! They're just a bunch of old geezers sitting around playing with their Lotta Bowls." .....I think sometimes that they're right.


The web site lacks a certain focus......Sammy Smith has worked miracles with The Linking Ring....he really has!!




....but, I mean this: There is NOONE in the IBM (I would love to be tangibly proven wrong) that is making sure that members really get A'LOT OF BANG FOR THEIR BUCK! Please....I'm begging someone to prove me wrong....I am. .....oh, they elect officers ONCE A YEAR......don't ask me why.....I've never seen A SINGLE ONE AT MY LOCAL RING AND I'VE SPENT 6 YEARS OF MY ADULT LIFE IN ONE (located in Texas).....nor have I ever seen a TVP at one of our meetings.

Ask any member, and here's what you'll get:
"Uh, I pay them 50 bucks and I get a pretty good magazine, and access to a fairly confusing web site piled up with a bunch of nothing. Oh, I can buy a paperweight and a belt buckle in their merchandise section." Is there anyone in my beloved IBM......who's in charge of merchandise - - - a potentially MONSTER source of revenue....that is aware that Jimmy Carter is no longer President?!
I mean, I actually look to see an IBM ascot and toupee' on there sometime soon....I do.

You know, frankly, I'm not being a jerk and I'm not leaving the IBM (although I may get excommunicated as a writer/editor for the Web Portal).....I just think that someone needs to be reminded that it's important to appeal to people born AFTER the end of the Korean conflict just as much as to those born before.

I really want to hear some responses and I apologize for my tone......I just don't think anyone's "minding the store" in the IBM.

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A lot of the $$ goes to the national convention. The president travels around on the IBM's credit card as do many in the conventon committee. They make trips to visit hotels, venues, etc all in an effort to make the IBM convention one of the best in magic.

You might check me on this but the magazine pretty much is support by ad revenue. The editor is a paid position. I think its all pretty much summed up in the annual report.

The online archive for members sounds like a good idea and a good value for the annual dues but I think the greatest vaule of the IBM and the SAM on the local level are the rings.
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Paul, I can't speak for the IBM...but, I have to wonder what you want for fifty bucks a year?

Pick a magazine, any decent magazine and you'll pay around $20 a year to subscribe...and this for a magazine with a circulation in the hundreds of thousands. TLR runs around 30,000 issues...lower print runs equals higher print costs. Even so, you receive one of the best magic journals in the field.

There are 20 RSS Feed links on the IBM Portal - enough to meet most magic interests. You have access to free member webpages. Access to one of the greatest magic conventions in the world. Networking opportunities with members worldwide. Instant recognition as a fraternal magician at over 300 member rings worldwide. A growing list of member resources and benefits.

The Web Portal is a fairly new enterprise and it's slowly growing and discovering new ways to reach members. Give it time and keep contributing!

If you want more - Suggest it. If you want to see the TVP at your Ring meetings, talk to your officers about INVITING him/her. If you want to see the Int'l President at your meetings, talk to your officers about INVITING him/her. If you want to see improved content on the portal or in the Linking Ring, suggest or submit it!

Like any club, business or family - members get what they're willing to work for.

As for the Linking Rings online. The money to run this club, sponsor the conventions, support the multi-thousand dollar web portal, send the President around to visit Rings, publish a killer journal, stock a member store that few people use and improve member benefits has to come from somewhere. $50 a year isn't going to cover it. Add-on sales of items like the Linking Ring Archive CD's is just one way of keeping the dream alive. Why should they give it away?

Just my thoughts. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions.
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I will concede that you make some fine points, Skip. (Heck, I said "concede".....it's not really even like I'm trying to mount an argument).

I think those enchiladas didn't agree with me too well. Smile

Posted: Jan 7, 2010 12:06am
Um, the enchiladas I had earlier tonight.....before my rant, I mean.......I'm tired and all rambly right now.....good night all!
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Smile No argument, at all. You're simply looking for answers. I can't argue with that!

Could the IBM do more for its members? Probably - and Jack White and his team are trying. It is also true that IBM members could do more to help the club grow and prosper.

I look forward to meeting you one day and swapping ideas with ya. Now, look up your TVP and invite him/her over for a chat! Smile
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On 2010-01-06 21:58, Skip Way wrote:...TLR runs around 30,000 issues...lower print runs equals higher print costs. Even so, you receive one of the best magic journals in the field....


Is that 30,000 print run figure you quoted accurate?? I had no idea that the IBM had that many members. At $50 a year dues that's $1.5 million annually from dues. Its been years since I was on the annual convention committee but that seems high to me just based on my prior knowledge. Could you elaborate a little on it. It's very exciting if its true and definately the place to advertise magic and I'm looking for advertising alternatives right now. Thanks.

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Smile I confess, it was an educated guess based on a conversation I had with a board member a while back...I was rushing out the door and didn't have time to check. Shame on me! Smile

Now...the facts - The IBM portal states that we have 12,000 active members. Dunn & Bradstreet lists membership at 13,000 and sets the Linking Ring's circulation at 14,000 copies.
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12000 members makes $600,000 not nearly the figure I originally figured from your previous statement but a strong number anyway. I'm glad to see that the IBM is hanging on to the membership.

14000 is still a pretty hefty circulation for a magicians magazine. I wonder if its got more circulation than all the others??? I advertised in it some years ago to good result; Genii too but I think Genii is around 7000.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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I couldn't quote figures, but I've seen/heard in several sources that TLR has the largest circulation, due perhaps in part to the fact that the magazine comes with membership (not a bad perk, I've been a member under Phil and Sammy's Editorships and they've both been great). I'm not sure whether it is Genii or Magic that has the largest subscription base for a non-magic society affiliated publication.
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Thanks. That's what I thought. I suspect MAGIC has more subs than Genii but I don't know for sure and I think Genii subscribers are a little more hardcore magic but I could be disillusioned.
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My favorite perk of membership is the free website.

My peeve is the long name associated with it.

http://magician.org/member/doctoroflaughology

but as I said having it provided and easily set up is wonderful.
and part of the reason I sticked with the I.B.M. while dropping membership in the other american (actually also international) magic society. (may someday rejoin the S.A.M)
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