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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts |
I still can't do more than a single standard Charlier Cut. I have emailed professionals about it they simply say practice except one guy saying to try holding the deck in different positions and reverse enginering. I tried all and have come to the conclusion that my thumbs are simply to short. Which is ashame given all the flourishes useing the moves and others that can be accomlished if I had longer thumbs. Not to say I can't do other things but it is ashame. However if anyone has any suggestions on the move and ways around my problem that would be great.
Jeremy Gates
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Justin Hart Loyal user Warsaw, VA 221 Posts |
Who cares what Larry Jennings says, lol.....use a bridge size pack. More help once I get on a PC.
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enigmind New user Indonesia 2 Posts |
Hey magnificent, if you manage to hold ordinary sized deck in mechanic grip and your thumb can meet your middle finger, I guess your thumb is not too short.
But if it's true then I guess a bridge size deck as suggested by Justin is a very great idea. |
Mathias Kersting New user Australia 97 Posts |
You may have tried this already, but one suggestion that you could try is holding the deck at your very finger-tips. The tips of your fingers should be *just* above the top of the deck (to prevent the top cards from slipping off).
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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts |
I like all the suggestions however I prefere not to use bride sized deck since they can be difficult to use for certain moves. Not only that but in that I don't want to spend extra money on them if I am only using them for a couple selected moves.
Jeremy Gates
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iwillfoolu Special user Upstate NY, USA 746 Posts |
McBride has tiny hands, Rene Levand has one hand. Don't make excuses. Keep practicing and think of solutions to your hand size.
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goatears Veteran user 400 Posts |
Rene Levand has one hand, Richard Turner is blind, Mahdi Gilbert doesn't have any hands. I think that all the above help is great advice. If it still doesn't work get creative! The best moves in the world comes from problems like this!
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AsL Special user 680 Posts |
Any progress J.G.?
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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts |
No I have not really had any progress and am through with it. I was going to learn more card moves. Then figured unless I use them frequently constantly experimenting with different moves doing parties. I am not going to remember them all. So untill I do parties I am not learning any more uses for the charlier cut being one of them. When I start learning again and through perfecting my street act and focusing on college I will get back to it. I might just find tricks that I can use a bridge sized deck with enabling the charlier cuts. Thanks guys
Jeremy Gates
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Piqsirpoq Regular user Finland 116 Posts |
I also have similar problems, and believe it is party due to hand physique, partly due to hand flexibility. You can do wonders on the latter, but not so much on the former. It is not only a matter of the length of your thumb, the amount of flesh between the thumb and palm (and the muscles and tendons underneath) also matters. People simply have different hands and different ranges of motion with their thumb.
You might want to try the moves using only half a deck, and if you're up for it, do the moves ambidextrously. And if you keep having trouble with the double and triple charliers, remember that there are other interesting looking one-handed cuts as well. For example, the scissor cut, the hot shot cut, the cannibal card cut and so on. |
J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts |
I never thought of factors other than thumb length and flexibility. Muscles and tendons would also factor in. I have tried half decks though it is just not happening for me. Like you said though there are other moves.
Jeremy Gates
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MagicJuggler Inner circle Anchorage, AK 1161 Posts |
I've been plauged by the same troubles concerning hand size and trying to accomplish this move. I recently found a partial solution that allows me to do two or three cuts moderately smoothly, haven't been able to do more than five.
This is really difficult to describe in text only format, but here's goes, hopefully you'll be able to figure this out. First I start by bowing the entire deck lengthwise, so the cards are bending downward. By this I mean take the deck in the hands hold it up in the fingertips, then squeeze the long sides of the deck while holding your index finger curled underneath, forcing the middle to bend upward, giving the entire deck a distinct curve. The reason for this is coming up. Second, hold the deck in standard position to start a charlier cut, having the deck at the extreme fingertips. Next drop a very small packet into the hand (about four or five) you may have to start the packet falling by pulling down with the thumb and regripping the upper packet with the thumb as the tiny packet falls. Then push the small packet upward as in a standard charlier. Once the outer edge of the tiny packet reaches the tip of the thumb at the halfway point of the charlier, the tiny packet is bent somewhat by the index finger as the thumb continues to hold the larger portion of the deck. (Basically the smaller packet bends lengthwise in the hand, middle bowing toward the thumb, which shortens the width of the card momentarily, allowing your thumb to have enough grip on the upper packet to drop off another small packet) From here, if you can manage it, allow another small packet to drop off the upper packet of the deck. If that's difficult for you still, you can try using the small packet (which is still levered upward against the thumb in that halfway point in the normal charlier) to cut the next packet for you. This is the main reason why I bow the deck like I've described. With the deck bowed in this fashion, if you allow the small lower packet to clear the edge of the upper half, you can push the inner edge of that small packet against the deck and due to the bend in the deck the cards will separate at that point, adding another packet to the cutting sequence. If you cut into the upper half this way, making sure to cut off a very small portion this way, you can manage to get a couple more cuts before the lower packet is too large to continue. Then complete the cut as usual. I've found that this works for my very small hands, and I can usually manage a descent run of packets. It's also finnaly possible for me to get those little one handed triangles with three packets where I never was able before. I hope this makes sense to you guys, and I hope it works for you too. I know for me being able to do all sorts of elaborate cuts, and being unable to do what should have been comparitively simple has grated on my nerves for a very long time. Let me know if you need any clarification on this method.
Matthew Olsen
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AsL Special user 680 Posts |
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On 2010-10-18 21:02, J.G. the magnificent wrote: This may be a little inspiration for you- maybe not but it's worth mentioning... Personally, I can perform double, triple, quadruple (etc.) charlier cuts without any problems at all. I started practicing it on a road trip as a young kid that I took with my family. We stopped at an old rugged looking thrift shop where my father bought me an EXTREMELY old pack of playing cards. The playing cards were a little smaller than a normal bridge pack but I certainly believe that the small size of the cards (and the "no spread dirty" condition they were in) enhanced my learning. I practiced with that pack so much that till this day (over ten years later), I can still remember EXACTLY what the design of the playing cards had on the back of them. A little over a year ago I severely cut the tip (long story) of my left thumb tip. Looking at it now, you would never know that I have absolutely no feeling in it due to severed nerves. It took me about nine months before I regained the "knack" of charlier cuts but now I've figured everything out and can execute them with little effort. On a different note- I have a very close friend of mine that has tiny hands, super short fingers, and is about uncoordinated with his hands as they come. He's devised his own unique was of performing charlier cuts. This isn't to brag but it's to tell you that I believe you have the capability of achieving this. The only person stopping you is yourself. As many people have mentioned, each person has to alter and adapt different moves and techniques to make them fit for that individual. I just wanted to mention those things... All the Best, Andrew |
J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts |
I love the last two posts both being very inspirational and I shall practice.
Jeremy Gates
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