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El Mystico Special user 573 Posts |
I’ve just been told the move is in Greater Magic (the Pick Up Location p 34) and in Marlo’s Tabled Palm (the Card Transfer).
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
Old thread but a couple years back I got a 2 video (instant download) set from Vanishing Inc by Lance Pierce Called "Silky Smooth Card Magic - vol 1 & 2).
Volume 1 has a wonderful routine that relies on the "Hop" and is taught very well. It is also a fairly easy sleight to use in this context. https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-......magic-1/ Volume 2 has some great stuff too - https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-......magic-2/ I don't know if they still do it, but you used to save some if you bought both volumes together. (I think it was $10 ea or both for $15 when I got it a year or two ago). However, the content of the two are worth every bit of $20. Lance is a great teacher.
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
He is. And the routine using the move is beautiful.
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
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On Mar 18, 2019, Harry Lorayne wrote: I'd never seen this before and I know you will start screaming "Troll" after reading this, but please believe me I would say the same even if the video was by DaOrtiz ... I don't think this is good. Too much hand movement, too much slapping ... There is no clarity in what's going on .. I can see Italian audiences shouting "che c...o hai fatto lì???" (What the #### did you do there???) Am I the only one to think it this way? Mark |
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JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts |
Most magic fails under micro scrutiny. In this case you may have missed who the intended audience was. You may have not have been able to extrapolate the full context from the sliver.
Not to dismiss your concerns. I just think your instincts are clouding the big picture. |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2019, JBSmith1978 wrote: He's saying that the Hop is performed unnaturally. How does the intended audience address that criticism? |
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JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts |
Let me reframe my response:
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2019, JBSmith1978 wrote: I'm sorry, but I do not understand what you mean here. Quite sure it's me … Mark |
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2019, JBSmith1978 wrote: Agreed. |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Mlippo. I concur with you. I do stunning mental card magic. But if I trained a talented ape to do card magic it would probably look erratic, quick and adolescent, just like the hop video I just saw. I hope it is still a free country. I might have a hard time getting paid if my card magic was quirky like this. Is the goal to puzzle spec's no matter how you do it? Modern audiences no longer care HOW it is done, especially if your only goal is to fool them with some quick moves. That is certainly not magic. Just a puzzle.
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jim ferguson Veteran user Ayrshire, Scotland 386 Posts |
You know maven, there are ways to get your point across without being insulting.
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1452 Posts |
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On Mar 19, 2019, countrymaven wrote: If your audiences don't care how you're doing your magic, you're doing bad magic. |
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Ok I am not trying to argue this. You may still be in a place that has the positive pragmatic outlook on life of the 70's, when people could sit through a long card magic program. I am not in that world. People do not want to sit through you finding a card they picked or a four ace sandwich in the modern world. So you have to make it about them.
If you do funky moves that are quick and suspect, my experience is they are not interested in your masking or hiding that move. They don't care how it is done. It is not like the 70's when people cared about figuring out magic as a puzzle, in spite of a performer being entertaining. Again you may have a different audience than me. I am a popular pro in a popular city. This is not all I do I am good at business, etc., by choice. But I tap into making the magic more about them than me. Reading their mind, involving them. Again I respect you if what you do works. But I think we also might consider how the prevailing philosophy of the younger generation might affect our magic. How it is perceived. So I am not trying to be disrespectful. I apologize if you took it that way. But I think I am tapping into something very important which is often ignored. Can any of you identify with parts of what I am saying? |
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts |
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On Mar 22, 2019, countrymaven wrote: Entertainment of every genre has fashion and evolution that leave previous incarnations looking old-fashioned, drab, outdated or worst of all boring. We've all seen dusty routines that yawn us.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Thanks. But what I am talking about is more than just something getting old. The positive philosophical REALISM OF THE 70'S AND 80'S has changed to different forms of philosophical EXISTENTIALISM. This is a radical move from objective truth residing outside the person, to it being inside the person, defined by them. This philosophical shift means if we can make magic about them somehow, and not about us and our moves, it has a chance of coming back. That is why mentalism is often so popular if it is not done too seriously. It is about the spectator and their thoughts and choices.
Again, I respect you and praise you if you can do long traditional card magic shows. What I find is I have to try to make all of my magic about them or involving them. This works. Ok I used to perform magic mainly to fool people. But that didn't work any more. I respect anyone who can entertain audiences with card magic. My goal is positive: to try to figure out how to make magic more popular for all of us. |
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
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On Mar 22, 2019, countrymaven wrote: I have been performing magic for a living starting in the Sixties and through the Seventies, Eighties, Nineties and to the present. I have not experienced the changes in my audience reactions that you mention. Could you describe these differences between audiences of the Seventies as compared to audiences of the present day in more detail? I have found differences, but none such as you are describing. |
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts |
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On Mar 22, 2019, countrymaven wrote: I posit that YOU changed (for the better) and the audiences remained static.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Yes, Salk, you are right. But when you are paid a lot to perform, you have to figure out pretty quickly what really rocks them.
Mr. Haydn, I am a big fan of yours. I know this is rarely covered, but the general philosophy prevailing among people tends to have an effect on how the audience thinks. I don't know the exact makeup of your audiences. I think you are so good maybe this would not affect you. But the younger generation no longer seems to care about figuring things out. It is more about them and their phones, their social media. Their world is about them and their SUBJECTIVE reality. So if magic can get them involved physically, mentally, and in more ways, it has a much better chance of connecting with them and their world. I respect if your audiences differ from mine. I perform for both adults and kids, and seem to notice these things with both audiences. Also a shorter attention span seems to be another thing we have to deal with. If your experience is different I would like to hear about it. I respect your experiences performing and would like to hear about them. |
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