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BMF Regular user Saint Louis 132 Posts |
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On 2010-01-26 03:33, Chris wrote: It's my understanding that if you're performing, it's not personal use. If you're doing a show, it's not personal use. If you're sitting in your living room practicing, it is personal use. The moment that you have increased reputation or financial gains related to the use of the product in question, it is no longer personal use. |
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DStachowiak Inner circle Baltimore, MD 2158 Posts |
Chris,
I am curious about your card stock. Is it made in a single layer, or is it laminated 3 layer stock? Don
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Don, the cardstock I offer is high quality casino grade playing card cardboard. It is a sandwich of two cardboards which are glued together with a black glue to prevent any 'see through'. It has the 'air cushion' finish. Please remember this is cardboard from the acknowledge leader in the paper industry for this type of cardboard. This cardboard is used by the top card manufacturers around the world.
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DStachowiak Inner circle Baltimore, MD 2158 Posts |
Thanks Chris, that's exactly what I meant by three layer, the two outer "print" layers and the center opaque layer to prevent seeing through. So it's the same paper we are used to splitting.
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Color matching: For all who would like to find out more about how they can do a better job at matching colors of their printed cards to existing colors please head to my blog and look for the "Color Matching" section under "Printing" or click this link http://www.lybrary.com/make-your-playing......lormatch
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
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On 2010-02-01 22:13, DStachowiak wrote: Sorry to correct you, but the Poker cards we all use consist of three layers, two thin layers on the outside and a thicker core. They are joined together with graphite colored glue what makes it impossible to look through. Two layer playing card stock uses two thick layers that are joined together. The difference between both variations is obvious, but everybody should decide for himself which card stock he wants to use.
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DStachowiak Inner circle Baltimore, MD 2158 Posts |
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On 2010-02-23 21:21, Card-Shark wrote: Thanks for the correction Christian, I had always assumed the dark color of the middle layer was a dye in the paper itself. I didn't know it was graphite in the glue. Don
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
There was a documentary about the production of playing cards in Germany. I uploaded this video on Youtube, but I have no idea if it will stay online there for a longer time. So if you are interested how playing card paper is produced and then playing cards, here is a video. It is in German language, but I think you will get the idea.
Later you will also see how the two card layers are glued together like the one Chris has. Bicycle and Phoenix use three layers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoEtfD9q88E
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jondunlap New user 10 Posts |
Chris
I have used you card stock, they are the best for custom work. All my gaffs came out great. I have my own color lasers, with todays pricing, any pro should just for advertising. But being able to customize my own gaffs on the fly to match Bikes it a great way to go for any pro. Thanks for making them available. All the info you provide and the lybrary.com ebooks have been a great gift and resource to magic. Look forward to seeing you again soon. Have never regreted a single thing from you. Jon |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
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On 2010-02-23 21:21, Card-Shark wrote: Christian, are you saying that Bicycle cards are produced by gluing 3 layers of cardboard together? I am not sure at what type of cards you are looking at, but the Bicycle cards I am buying consist of two cardboard layers.
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dmueller Loyal user Central Illinois 227 Posts |
Actually from personal experience splitting Bikes, they are made of 2 paper/vinyl layers and a central card stock core.
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
I think what you call the 'central card stock' is the black glue and whatever part of the two sheets of paper still sticking to it.
Every high quality playing card I have seen including Bicycles are made from two layers of cardboard which are glued together with a black glue to assure opacity. And exactly that kind of high quality cardboard I am offering for sale in small quantities as the only retailer in the world.
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
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On 2010-02-25 19:50, Chris wrote: Bicycle cards are made up of a thick center layer, with two thin outer layers. Your efforts to pass yourself off as the local "pro" are laughable, as anybody who's ever split a card (or 2000 cards) already knew when they read your above post. |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Silverking, I am not disagreeing that when you split a card you end up with three layers. And strictly speaking you can call such playing cardboard consisting of three layers, as long as you point out that there are two cardboard layers sandwiching one glue layer in the middle. So two of the three layers are cardboard, the third layer is glue.
If you talk to a paper maker about playing card cardboard and you start talking about three layers you will be misunderstood. For a paper maker there are two layers (meaning two paper or cardboard layers) which are glued together. And that is how all high quality cardboard looks like. That is the cardboard used for Bicycles and it is the same cardboard I sell. Anybody who bought some cardboard from me will agree with that. If you take the cardboard I sell and split it - guess what you will get - three layers. I guess it is a matter of different groups of people calling things differently. The card splitter will talk about 3 layers because that is what he ends up with after splitting. The paper mill or paper maker will talk about two layers of cardboard glued together because that is what he makes. I like to use the paper maker language because it makes more sense to me. I rather stick with the pros who make the thing because my process is meant to replicate the professional card making process.
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Card-Shark Inner circle Germany 1758 Posts |
Staying in your words, a Bicycle card consists of 5 layers then:
1. thin cardboard 2. black glue 3. thick cardboard center 4. black glue 5. thin cardboard We should leave out the fact that there would also be a print and a finish on the cards that would add up to seven or nine "layers". I have never seen your cardstock but I know other German card quality where SKAT decks are made from. they consist of the following: 1. thick cardboard 2. black glue 3. thick cardboard This is also the structure that you can see in the video I posted. It does NOT show the layers of a Bicycle style playing card.
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
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On 2010-02-26 09:47, Chris wrote: You're dead wrong, but feel free to keep posting your thoughts. Maybe you can find another way to try and back-track from your original, and absolutely incorrect statement about Bicycle card-stock being only two layers thick. |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Silverking I really feel sorry for you. You must have some chronic problem or some other condition that you desperately try to find something to beat me up with. Just for the record, I don't need to back track because everything I wrote in this thread is also written in my blog. That does not mean that I am necessarily correct with everything I say, but if I am wrong somewhere I will say so. I don't think Bicycle cards are made up of 3 cardboard layers. But this is something that can be answered authoritatively by a paper specialist. And I just know somebody who is. Will be back with more information on it once I see this specialist in person.
There is actually a very good reason why playing card cardboard consists of 2 and not 3 layers of paper. If you study my blog you will find out why. It has to do with the properties of paper. But who knows, maybe I am wrong. And then you can do a victory dance Silverking. I am sure it will help you get over your debilitating affliction.
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Well it took not that long. Look at this YouTube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlVSyhg8g3s and hear from USPCC themselves. At around 4:20 you will hear that the cardboard consists of TWO layers which are laminated together with a black glue.
Christian, I am not sure where you get the '5 layer' or '3 paper layer' thing from. But it clearly is wrong as I have written in the beginning. Sorry Silverking, no victory dance for you.
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
Nice try on the bait-and-switch Chris, but my statement was quite clearly that BICYCLE cards were more than two layers.....which countered your statement that they had only two layers in them.
Your "reference source" being the Travel Channel, you have no idea what cards were being discussed. As I"m sure you already know, USPCC makes many different brands, at quite a few different price points. If the discussion were to revolve around Texan Palmetto's (for example), then the statement that there were three layers in each card wouldn't be accurate. When you've got something more than a Travel Channel show as your trusted source, get back to me. |
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
In case you didn't see, they were printing Bicycles. And I just checked a Texan Palmetto deck. They are made from the same aircushion cardboard as Bicycles are. Steamboat also uses 2 paper layer cardboard only no air-cushion.
I know you don't trust the Travel channel. I guess you will tell us that this was not USPCC and that this was all made to mislead us into believing they only use 2 layers of cardboard. Take a hike. You are pathetic.
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