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Mr Highpockets
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Hello all.

I have been using the Aronson stack for some time now. Histed Heisted is featured regularly in my shows and always gets a strong reaction. I have only bought Bound to Please thus far and was wondering if Simon in any of his other books has any work on whole suit productions.

Many thanks

Robert
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What do you mean by "whole suit productions"?
kozmic kettle
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There are no routines in Simon's books that allow you to produce Ace to King of the same suit from Aronson stack. He's published a lot of effects that produce 4 of a kind, especially in "Try the Impossible", and there are routines that involve the production of two 4 of a kinds - but not a whole suit.

Personally, I think a memorised deck would not be the ideal method for that effect. Producing 13 cards in order would suggest a set up as the method, and the sequence would probably turn out to be over complicated, especially if you wanted to produce them in order. I suspect you would get a cleaner effect by culling those cards from a shuffled deck or performing a Multiple Selection routine with 13 freely chosen cards.

It's probably possible from the Tamariz stack, though, because it's designed to get back to new deck order.
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If you want to do a full suit production I don't think a memorized stack is the way to go. A bit out of place for this forum but you should check out Ben Earl's full suit production... it's really amazing...
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Jose Carroll has a great full suit production routine too but it isn't stack based. For stack based productions, Tamariz stack allows full suit deals (from stack) and full suit productions (from going back to NDO)
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I have been playing around with this recently.

I am developing a routine which ends up with all the cards arranged in order, starting from Aronson Stack.

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I agree with kozmic kettle. I like the Aronson Stack for its use as an "open index" - effects which rely on revelation of a single card (and there are many such effects).

I strongly recommend Stack Attack by Lew Brooks - the DVD (I think it's also in print, but I just haven't read it.) It's a great treatment of stack effects, and there's some great stuff on false shuffles - a different approach than usual.

Order Out of Chaos is a great "suit production" effect. The effect is not so much dealing out a suit in order, as it is using apparently random shuffles of all cards of a given suit randomly selected from a shuffled deck. You end up with all the cards in order. By the way, I think Lew Brooks' patter is very strong and brings out the best in this effect.
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I, for one, will be very interested in what Giles comes up with. Since the suits are so scattered throughout the Aronson stack, it does seem quite a challenge. Still, there are a couple of things which may help.

I'm thinking of the fact that you can deal both a Royal Flush in Spades, and a Royal Flush in Hearts. Here's a little preliminary thinking I've done... maybe someone can run with it.

You're going to cut the five poker hands which produce the Royal Flush in Spades for the dealer to the bottom of the deck. In other words, cut the deck so that the ten of spades is on the bottom. Assume you are going to now spread the cards from one hand to another. Perhaps you're looking for a selected card. In my case, I have a scallop short in both ends of the JS, so I might begin by forcing it and getting it back to it's regular place in the stack. Then I cut the 10S to the bottom. As you spread the cards back up, you know that the first card is the 5H, and you mentally say the names of the cards as you thumb them over. Six cards down from the top will be the 3S and when you come to it, you cull it to the bottom. You then pass the next card, which you know to be the AD and then cull the next two cards to the bottom. (7 and 5 of S) When you get to stack number 23, you cull it, because it's the 8S. Finally, you will have to spread way down to number 37, which is the 4S. Now you cut the 6H to the top of the deck. You declare that you're having no luck, but you feel luck and will deal some poker hands to see what happens. You deal five hands of five cards each with the last hand right in front of yourself. You are now in a strong position to reveal the selected card, and to follow up that all five of the hands are good poker hands. You state, without looking at any of the hands, that you are sure their selection is here somewhere... then that it's in your own hand. Finally you state that it's in the center of your five cards. Turn up the center card and it's the JS. Now return it to the center of your hand and say that you want to see just how lucky you are. Turn up the first hand and the guy has three sixes. The second guy has a flush, the third guy has a full house (twos over eights) and the fourth guy has four nines. Finally you can show your hand is a Royal Flush in Spades. If you pick it up off the table, backs up, and transfer the card right under the top card to the bottom, you can then fan the cards and tip them up, and your royal flush will be in order. But now, you are in a strong position to continue to reveal the remaining spades. Five of them are now right on top of the remainder of the deck in this order: 3, 7, 5, 8, and 4. The 6, 2, and 9 of S's are in the poker hands which are now laying face up on the table in front of you.

Okay, that where my thinking has gotten me so far... but I think you are in a pretty good position to get to the remaining spades and get them ordered.

Perhaps if you do this with the Royal Flush in hearts there will be a more helpful result.

Isn't this fun?

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