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On 2010-06-21 12:55, BCaldwell wrote:
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On 2010-06-21 08:21, dinger136 wrote:
There is a whole Android Market waiting...

I totally agree!


There is already a superior Asian version out there that does whole cards (I think it's android).
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There is already a superior Asian version out there that does whole cards (I think it's android).

The Chinese knock off of iForce that you're talking about is for the Android OS and it only does one method (while iForce does three). It was written all in slow Java so when you're performing unless your spectators are standing directly over the phone, you'll see the app do the dirty work. You can not do whole cards (you get 20 outs) you get the rest of the cards through equivoque.

The Chinese knock off requires two moves for more outs . . . (while iForce uses just one)

Lastly you can't even find that app on the Android market place.

iForce has had the greatest amount of piracy in Asia . . . mostly Taiwan and China. There are sections of magic forums in Asia dedicated to the things you can do with iForce that have new posts practically every day. Most of the people that post on these threads have a pirated version of iForce.

Taiwan has the greatest number of fake one star ratings. In fact recently iForce had a 1.5 star rating in Taiwan. I think it's amazing how moral fiber is so different from one country to another. In Mexico, iForce has a 4.5 star rating.

I just wanted to set the record straight about this app.
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That's ridiculous. It's 2.99. Why pirate that? Why download it illegally. It's such a good app, people should just pay. I've seen the android one and it is definitely not superior to iForce. iForce is tops in my book, and many other magicians I know.
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Hi Greg. Just updated to the new iPhone 4 and iOS4, and ran into some interesting glitches when updating "the work" for iForce. Any guess as to when the app might be updated? For the meantime I'm stuck without it!

Kevin
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I'll give you 5 stars if you give me a version for my Droid.
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Hi Kevin,

I don't have an iPhone 4 yet. But my partner Randy just got one and the problem is what I'd suspected. The higher resolution of iPhone 4 isn't compatible with the 2nd and 3rd methods of iForce. We're already working on it.

Sorry about the delay, but in the next 2 weeks you'll see a new iForce update to be compatible with iOS 4.

In the mean time, if you want to use the 2nd and 3rd methods, you can transfer the images to your mac, down res them by 50% and then sync those smaller images back to your iPhone 4. If you use these smaller images, it should work fine.

stay tuned,
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HI Greg,

I feel like a jerk for asking after what's been previous on this thread, but are you still planning an iPad version?

Scott
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Thanks for the update Greg! I'll drop you a line soon to talk about a few other things floating around in my head...

Kevin
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I'm also waiting for the iPad version. Purchased the phone version, but it could look so much better on the HD screen!
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The iPad version is in the works guys.

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Like iForce on the iPhone, and have a favorite routine with it that you use (ESP symbols/Coin flips/etc.)?

Here's a tip for the upcoming iPad version, assuming you don't have your iPad yet: Order your iPad from the online Apple Store, and you'll get free engraving. When asked for the engraving during your online order, have it be a simple prediction, such as "You will choose the wavy lines" or "You will select HTH" or whatever you've noticed your audiences pick more often than others.

That way, you have an extra punch for your iForce routine!
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If this is supposed to be a Trade Secret, why is it advertised here?
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=812490

Seems like you're shooting yourself in the foot.
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Wow, lot of lay people checking it out on the macrumors site! I'm especially impressed by this clown: "I wouldn't buy it till there is a scientific explanation because I don't believe in magic, ghosts, astrology, gods and anything that is claimed to be "supernatural" work."
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I see your point but there are many people who do like magic and while the effects can be presented without making yourself look like you have special powers, some people (shut eyes) will want to "believe" you do even if you tell them it's not real. So the onus is on the performer.
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All I was saying (previous post) was, the inventor advertises his effect to the masses which is a catch 22. His goal is to stop being a salesman but at what expense... Selling the App to every 12 year old may make him some money initially, however the usefulness of the App will be zero when too many people get their hands on it and ultimately no sales will be made at all.

Almost like the Tortoise and the Hair.. the answer lies in having several programs, sold to magicians ONLY AND then a dozen more for non-magicians. THEN you can think about being self-made.

P.S. There are also reviews on this product by mainstream Emagazines (just do a G search to see it for yourself). One poster said that it would take time for someone to actually learn the program before they could cause you aggravation but all they need to do is know the key that unlocks the door and that's it. Without memorizing anything, they can swipe your show from out, from under you.
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Hi Jay,

Thank you very much for your input.

As I've said in a previous post . . . if I was to sell to only 1% of the 80 million iPhones/iPod Touches out there, I would have to sell 73,000 copies of iForce, every DAY, for THREE YEARS . . . just to sell to 1% !!
Selling 73,000 apps a day is impossible . . . the top apps are lucky to sell 10,000 apps a day.

Based on the above observation, you're more likely to find someone that knows about the Invisible Deck then you are to find someone that knows about iForce.

take care,
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On 2010-06-24 02:36, MAOmagic wrote:
That's ridiculous. It's 2.99. Why pirate that? Why download it illegally. It's such a good app, people should just pay. I've seen the android one and it is definitely not superior to iForce. iForce is tops in my book, and many other magicians I know.
Thank you for your support MAOmagic.

In this age of software piracy, even if your app was 1 cent it would still be pirated.

There have been many experiments on the internet to demonstrate this unfortunate fact. Obviously, the only time something is not pirated is when it's free.

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I'm sorry to hear this Greg...

However, you're in the wrong business if you are trying to make a profit by selling magic. Magic is not meant to be a business, rather if you release an item, the point is to have other MAGICIANS learn useful subject matter from it. In no way should you be trying to support your family by selling magic... it just can't happen. Selling magic of any form to the general public is also wrong for the same reasons Jay mentioned above.

That being said, I think iForce looks like a great app and you should try to keep it as low profile as possible since there are probably already a bunch of non-magicians who have it (even if your sales are "low"). In the hands of a good magician this has good potential... not so much in laymen.

Sam
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However, you're in the wrong business if you are trying to make a profit by selling magic. Magic is not meant to be a business, rather if you release an item, the point is to have other MAGICIANS learn useful subject matter from it. In no way should you be trying to support your family by selling magic... it just can't happen.


Sheesh, what a load of garbage. Is it okay if people make a living selling a magic performance, just not magic props/acts themselves? Pffft.

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I think the problem with iForce is the price. I know at one point you went from 2.99 to 4.99 for 3-4 days and then dropped it again because you said it killed the sales.

But is iForce worth $20? If it is, then why aren't you selling it for that price? No, you won't sell as many, but you also don't have to have as many sales to make the same amount. Plus, you probably wouldn't have to worry about the fake ratings because you don't have to worry about as many morons buying it.

Do you want to sell to the masses or do you want a great rep among magicians for the stuff you create? I think having both would be very difficult to do.

Maybe it's too late for iForce, but the next time you come out with an app that's aimed at magicians, why not price it based on what it's worth?

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I'm saying it's not good to JUST sell magic to make a living... from just what has been said here it sounds like Greg only sells magic and doesn't perform it that often (please correct me if I am wrong as my view is only based on what is read here). Why would someone want to buy something magic if its sole purpose was to create money rather than meaningful material perfected through years of actual performing?

Greg for all I know might actually perform, just not for pay... in that case I think it's fine to do what he's doing because he has the expertise to create and test such an effect.

Sorry if I wasn't clear in what I said... I think Greg's product looks great and I am considering getting it.
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Greg for all I know might actually perform, just not for pay... in that case I think it's fine to do what he's doing because he has the expertise to create and test such an effect.


Ah, okay, Sam, I didn't get what you were trying to convey. And while I still may not agree with it completely, I do think someone with at *least* a performing background is more likely to create something worth performing than a "marketer" who sees this niche as a ripe target.

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