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I've already viewed that thread, thanks.
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Idea: Buy ads in Genii, MAGIC, etc., with the slogan, "Buy the best worst-rated app in the App Store!" Smile
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Greg,

As a software developer myself I can certainly understand your position. It's impossible to improve the product with little or no hope of turning a profit. However, let me throw out an opinion. The reason your application has been targeted more so than the other magic apps out there is because IT IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER MAGIC APPS OUT THERE.

This is the only application that works small for impromptu gatherings, strolling, table-hopping, parties, informal events, AND (assuming the iPad version makes it to market) as a platform/stage piece that can work with audiences of nearly any size. The application itself is completely adaptable to the preferences and needs of the performer and IT HAS LIMITLESS USES.

The best-of-breed applications in every category are routinely targeted (usually by competitors and not the users) BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BEST. Your application is no exception.

In fact, the more exposure your application gets, the more people will use it and the more genuine your rating will become since the fringe users that would sabotage it with a low rating are definitely in the minority. In other words, the more popular it gets the better the rating will get, and this is a cycle that will spiral upward.

Therefore, it is my sincerest hope, that you take some time to think it over before deciding to pull the plug. You've created a remarkable tool and it would be so unfortunate (for all of us) if you were discontinue development.

Thanks for listening.
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Hi Greg I just downloaded this to my I phone and will look at it tonight.
Please don't give it away I intend on doing some crazy mental magic with it.
I will also give an honest rating and from your mind I can predict what that will be.
Finally a magic app that does not scream "Hey it's a magic app for the I phone."

Will let you know my thoughts,

Mike


Posted: Jun 5, 2010 2:07pm
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Alright Greg I think I figured out the problem. You are charging way too little for this effect.
It is sure brilliance and my head is spinning on what I will be able to customize with it.
Love this effect and can't wait to show my spectator's.

Now I'm no savvy tech guy but I did not see where I could rate the app?
If you can point that out to me you deserve 6 stars.

This is really cool.

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***. I had a one star rating (which I just reversed, including a message regarding the issue). I had no clue it was hurting you so bad. Smile

I think most others don't even realize what they are doing.
It's basically the most painful form of flattery to you I guess. Smile Bloody sad. Smile

I just created a new setup for iforce today that let's you guess a number between 1 and 50 with almost perfect accuracy. I bought my iPod SOLELY to run iForce. And then I pay $3 and destroy the genius creator's income even more. I am so sorry. I could pay you another $3, but I'm afraid what I've done is to bad to fix. Smile
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On 2010-06-05 14:07, magicmike30 wrote:
Now I'm no savy tech guy but I did not see where I could rate the app?
If you can point that out to me you deserve 6 stars.


You can easily rate it from inside iTunes. Just search Rostami, or iForce and it will. Click on it, and then below the screen shots, there is a 5 star rating system, but it would be really great if you would would even write one. You just click "write review" just to the right of that.

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Thanks Andrew, will look at that. This is really cool and I have already made a custom setting. The wife had no clue how I was able to do this? With three methods you have all the protection you need;)
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I bought it and rated it 5 stars. There is only one thing to look for, don't try it on a couch or cushion or any fluffy material... It failed.. The person saw the number disapear and another one reapear. I think the "bounce back" from the cushion made it happen. Boooh to me for not thinking about it.
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On 2010-06-02 02:18, SWNerndase wrote:
Let me suggest something else:

A magic trick app is never going to be a huge breakout hit. Leaf Trombone, Pocket God, Doodle Jump and the rest of the legendary big money apps are all self entertaining. A trick you have to practice and perform for someone else to really enjoy is not in the same category. Magicians are the main market, and it's to be expected that the general public won't be as interested in this as they will Tetris.
Hi SWNerndase,

I agree with you, but currently the "Cell Phone Tracker PRO" app is in the top 10 grossing apps and it's an app that requires performance (not self entertaining).
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I just looked and iForce has a 4+ rating currently. That's a very good rating. I think it's possible, likely even, that the magicians trying to keep your app a secret are having little effect on sales in reality. Even if every single review was a glowing 5 stars, it's just not the kind of app that will be huge, and I think it was unrealistic from the start to think you could "support your family" from one magic app. If you're making a few bucks, that's great. If you develop a catalog of good magic apps that each made a few bucks steadily you might find yourself doing quite well--without having a single breakout big seller. Better though, from a business standpoint to develop games and tools with wider appeal than tricks you have to learn to perform.

Sorry you feel so hurt by the one star ratings. I think you've made a very fine niche product. And that niche is small regardless of comments and ratings.

SWN
Once again, I agree with a few of your points. My current ranking is 3.4 (not 4+).

I disagree about your point about “glowing 5 star ratings”. The ranking of an app is dictated by a computer. If you have an app that gets 5 star ratings it becomes visible. If not your app is invisible. When my ratings are high I see higher traffic, so do all other app developers.

When it comes to supporting my family, the math regarding this is very simple. At the end of this month there will be 100 million iDevices in the world. I make $1.05 on every sale. If I sold iForce to 1 out of a thousand iDevices that would make me $105,000. You notice this assumes that only 1 out of a thousand people would have interest in a magic app and that I only sell one app (iForce). The last 8 months of experience shows that 90% of the people that come in contact with iForce purchase it. I don’t think I’m being “unrealistic” to think that I can support my family with my magic apps.

I don’t think I will ever develop games and tools mainly because these are saturated markets that I’m not interested in.

In conclusion, I had a long talk with my co-developer Randy. We’ve decided to continue our development of magic apps. To a great degree this has been due to the many emails, your kind magic café posts, and recent 5 star reviews.

Thank you to all my friends on the magic café for supporting me through this bizarre emotional rollercoaster.
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That is great! I'm so glad that there are more great apps to look forward to. I hope when your new apps are released, people will rate them more honestly and keep you in business.
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That's great news Greg-

I, for one, will purchase any magic app you guys make.

iForce is not only my favorite app on my iphone, it is one of my favorite bits of magic. It goes over great with my buddies at the Magic Castle. Some have even said they'd get an iphone to use your app!

Good luck with iForce and all the other things you're working on.

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Greg, I'm delighted to read that you're not throwing in the towel.

But I clearly don't understand the vagaries of how the top apps are picked. I just looked up Cell Phone Tracker PRO. It's currently at #12 but it only has a 2 1/2 star rating.

I don't understand why it's a top app but iforce isn't.

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Great to hear Greg!
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Agreed. This is great news, Greg. All of us here are wishing you all the best (for purely selfish reasons, of course). Smile
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To all my magic friends who love iForce,

The price of iForce has been raised to $100 to protect the secrets from the curious.

Thank you for your support,
Greg Rostami
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On 2010-06-19 20:54, Greg Rostami wrote:
To all my magic friends who love iForce,

The price of iForce has been raised to $100 to protect the secrets from the curious.

Thank you for your support,
Greg Rostami


Um, wow. Not sure it's exactly what I was suggesting earlier on this thread, but I wish you luck with it.
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It looks like Greg just reduced the price to $2.99 for iForce!
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There is a whole Android Market waiting...
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On 2010-06-21 08:21, dinger136 wrote:
There is a whole Android Market waiting...

I totally agree!
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