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TKD27 Elite user Wallingford, CT 458 Posts |
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On 2010-03-01 12:06, patrick flanagan wrote: Well said on the first point. On quoting, though, you just need to take out the " / " in the first bracket. It's just the word in the bracket to tag the quote, then the the word with a slash in front of it, in a bracket, to end the quote.
Connecticut Kids' Magician, Matt Matthews (formerly known as Matt The Balloon Man)
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patrick flanagan Inner circle lisle, illinois 1045 Posts |
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Woot!!! I did it. If my arms were longer, I'd pat myself on the back!! thanks for the help, guys!!! |
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Stanyon Inner circle Landrum, S.C. by way of Chicago 3433 Posts |
But if course it's always nice to leave in the info as to who you are quoting.
FWIW
Stanyon
aka Steve Taylor "Every move a move!" "If you've enjoyed my performance half as much as I've enjoyed performing for you, then you've enjoyed it twice as much as me!" |
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
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On 2010-03-01 12:05, patrick flanagan wrote: Patrick consider this: How many legally armed citizens attack unarmed citizens with handguns in your area? This is what I mean about not recognizing the reality that exists outside of the emotion. This is another specious argument attempting to rationalize an irrational position. Legal gun owners who carry are generally NOT who you need to worry about. If you're getting a gun with the idea that you need it to protect yourself from legal other gun owners, you are missing the point. Additionally, the idea of accidental shootings are so prolific is ridiculous. Significantly more cops and civilians are killed annually in auto accidents and I don't see anyone calling for banning automobiles, significant reductions in speed limits, governors on auto engines, more police writing traffic tickets to more strictly enforce traffic laws. But guns are the "Boogeyman"; it's nonsense. On an unrelated note: Congrats on getting the quotes figured out!
Carlo DeBlasio
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Hare Veteran user 323 Posts |
Goodness. When I saw the title of this thread, I thought, "Gee, these magicians are a LOT more popular than me. They must have one helluva an act!"
"Better described in The Amateur Magician's Handbook"
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
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On 2010-03-01 17:28, Hare wrote: That too! It never hurts to be prepared
Carlo DeBlasio
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Metatron Elite user Port Orchard, Washington 436 Posts |
MagicbyCarlo,
To me it looks like you're the most EMOTIONAL person posting about this subject. --- "It's funny if you look at the issue, you never see those who do carry criticize those who don't carry, instead it's ALWAYS the other way around. Just an observation." that's like saying, you never see cigarette smokers complaining about people that don't smoke. It's always the non-smokers complaining about the smokers. --- " How many legally armed citizens attack unarmed citizens with handguns in your area? This is what I mean about not recognizing the reality that exists outside of the emotion. " The fact is most accidental gun deaths do involve a registered weapon. Criminals shooting guns are not considered accidents. --- "Significantly more cops and civilians are killed annually in auto accidents and I don't see anyone calling for banning automobiles" If this is true why are you so worried that you have to pack a gun. --- Here is a REALITY check: So far, has your packing a concealed weapon saved you from anything at all? If not, then my MAGIC UNDERWEAR has been just as effective! Lighten up! I know your the emotional one, it was obvious when you quoted my JOKE and went into a tirade! You are so emotional that you will probably respond to this too! Metatron |
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patrick flanagan Inner circle lisle, illinois 1045 Posts |
Carlo,
I completely understand your points. I live in the Chicago area...born and raised in Chicago proper. Of course, I would certainly be more concerned about illegal gun owners/carriers than I would legal gun owners/carriers. To take that logic one step further, I would certainly be more concerned about a legal gun owner/carrier than I would be someone who does not own or carry a gun. Throw alcohol or drugs into the equation and you can take all the training, rational thinking, instincts, and awareness and throw them in the trash along with yesterday's newspaper (which probably has more than a few stories of someone getting shot by a legal or illegal gun owner). Last year or maybe the year before, in Chicago, we had a story about an active police officer, upset over being cut off, beat the s*** out of a 125 pound woman bartender. Judging from the video and pictures, this guy tipped the scales at about 250. His training, etc. were trumped by anger and inebriation. Since he was an active police officer, I'm sure he was carrying. I wonder what the outcome may have been if the bartender was a 200+ pound male...or if some of the other patrons there had jumped in to help this woman (sadly they didn't). Yeah I know this is one isolated incident, but try that rational arguement on the poor woman that got her *ss beat. I take back the back pat until I put the name of the quoter in correctly...lol patrick |
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
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On 2010-03-02 11:25, patrick flanagan wrote: Patrick, I see your perspective on this but what you describe is an aberration, an isolated incident, and is also is not relevant to the discussion. To paint the issue with the emotion generated by that one incident is fallacious. The police officer did not shoot the bartender, he used his hands and fists, he drank to excess and apparently had rage issues. The "what if the bartender was a 200lb guy" question is also a moot issue. Suppose an armed citizen had terminated the attack? Would you be singing the praises of the armed citizen who shot a drunk violent and dangerous person who had been beating a woman half his size? As a result of this horrible event should we cut off everyone's arms and legs, prohibit alcohol, and lobotomize all citizens to prevent anything like this from ever happening again? Should all police officers be prohibited from drinking alcohol while off duty? Should we now disarm all cops? If someone is stabbed, do we seek to ban knives or stop people from owning them? If someone is bludgeoned with a hammer, do we ban hammers? This incident illustrates one fact, this one individual, who happened to be a cop, was a bad guy and did a horrible thing. That's it. Again, the crux of the issue is with behavior. In my current State, North Carolina, there are restrictions to behavior while armed. One of those (go figure) is you are prohibited from drinking alcoholic beverages while armed. Again, I refer you back to the automobile analogy (since automobiles are responsible for exponentially more U.S. deaths and injuries annually than firearms). At the moment, responsible and trained armed U.S. citizens pose less of a threat than a responsible Toyota driver. People bring up statistics and incidents to bolster their fear based aversion to guns so that they don't have to be afraid. Is the fear rational or founded? I don't know. Is a fear of airplanes flying over your house, kitchen knives, cars, baseball bats, lawnmowers, chainsaws or the plethora of other things that accidentally or if misused, or used by crazed angry people will kill or injure people, rational? This is my final post on this subject as I don't believe this discussion has any further productive value. With regard to quotes (perhaps the most important thing to come out of this discussion): at the top of a post there is a "quote" button, that will automatically put in the date time and who made the post along with the text of the post. If you want to manually add the information (if you are quoting multiple posts) then you can just look at the header of the post and manually put the info in using "quote" and "/quote" in brackets. Carlo
Carlo DeBlasio
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dmueller Loyal user Central Illinois 227 Posts |
I lived in Indiana for 8 years, not far from Gary. While I lived there I had a concealed carry permit, and I carried lawfully. By law I could not take my weapon into any establishment that served alcohol, or any government building (city state or federal) etc. And I obeyed those laws. At one point I hit upon some hard times and the only work I could find was as basically a door to door salesman. I carried products in a duffel bag and by the end of the day I had a good chunk of cash in my pocket to take back to the office.
One day on my rounds through Gary, I was approached by several young men. Having a pretty good deal of street smarts, I knew something was amiss. One of the young men produced a rather sizable knife and said "First we are going to harm you and then we are going to take your stuff and money" (not his exact words.heavily edited for content, I am sure you get the picture.) This was said at a distance of about 5 feet. Under the guise of reaching for my wallet I retrieved my concealed pistol, and as we magicians say, engaged in audience management. I held my would be assailants at gun point until the police arrived( I had an onlooker call them). When the police arrived they verified that I was properly credentialed to carry and then took my statement and made the appropriate arrests. Upon being searched one of the other young men was found to have an unlawful firearm. If I had not been armed, that day would have been very different. Since that time, I have carried ,when legal, at all times. Of course there are those that think I should have done any number of things to avoid the situation. If I were in the original posters shoes, yes I would carry protection where feasible. If worn properly, nobody is ever the wiser. For every day I carried that uncomfortable hunk of steel under my shoulder like a lead weight, they were all paid for the day that hunk of steel saved my life. In regards to the gun control debate that was unintentionally spawned in this thread, I will just leave this here: Anti Carry laws are society's way of saying a beaten and raped woman is morally superior to a would be assailant with a hole in his chest. |
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
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On 2010-03-02 11:23, Metatron wrote: If YOU say so. Quote:
--- A specious correlation. The presence of an armed person does not create a health risk comparible to your analogy. Quote:
" How many legally armed citizens attack unarmed citizens with handguns in your area? This is what I mean about not recognizing the reality that exists outside of the emotion. " What is your point? Your response doesn't even make sense. My question was about legal gun owners "attacking" unarmed citizens and the number of such attacks. Your response is sophomoric and off point. Quote:
"Significantly more cops and civilians are killed annually in auto accidents and I don't see anyone calling for banning automobiles" Again, completely off point. Let me slow it down for you. That is what grown ups call an analogy. Check the statistics yourself. And I'm not "worried". I carry a gun for the same reason I wear a seat belt: To protect myself. Quote:
Here is a REALITY check: So far, has your packing a concealed weapon saved you from anything at all? If not, then my MAGIC UNDERWEAR has been just as effective! Thanks for that reality check! Yes it has, on two occasions. Additionally me and my gun also saved the life of a woman who was being attacked by knife wielding attacker. Quote:
Lighten up! I know your the emotional one, it was obvious when you quoted my JOKE and went into a tirade! Really? You mean my three sentence emotional tirade with the on the end? That tirade? Sounds as if my response to your "joke" bothered you doesn't it? What, there was no conviction, personal opinion or bias behind your "joke"? If not, then you were just blathering for sake of being seen as witty. I didn't miss the attempt, but humor is often a vehicle for viewpoint or opinion; is it not? Quote:
You are so emotional that you will probably respond to this too! Wasn't THAT puerile? I hope that you found the response emotional enough and that I didn't disappoint you. Now don't you have homework to do? Carlo (not some anonymous tag)
Carlo DeBlasio
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Metatron Elite user Port Orchard, Washington 436 Posts |
"The problem with that emotional view is that is doesn't consider the reality outside of the emotion." - MAGICBYCARLO <--- This looks like tag to me!
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patrick flanagan Inner circle lisle, illinois 1045 Posts |
Carlo,
I'm not necessarily in disagreement of the side of the fence you are on. I just find some of your arguements to be a bit much. Hammers, knives, and automobiles satisfy numerous needs of which killing people falls close to the bottom of the list for each of them. So to ban them because they were used in a crime is apples and oranges. I'd rather face someone trying to rob me using these items as weapons than a gun. Guns, registered or not, were manufactured for one reason....to destroy things (people, animals, targets, etc.). I suppose you could use the butt of a gun to hammer a nail or to hold a door open. But, listing the attributes of a gun, those things would fall way to the bottom of the list. I'm not against gun control unless we could get rid of ALL of the guns. We can't. I often wonder if there would be less crime if EVERYONE was allowed to carry a gun. Then the gangbangers, criminals, and other swine of society would be on equal ground with the regular upstanding citizens. If it seems I'm waffling on my stance, I'm really not. I believe my initial statement was that I worry more about an illegal carrier than a legal one...and that I worry more about a legal carrier than a non-carrier. As I've said, I've considered, and still do, purchasing a gun. I feel this country is headed towards a crisis (social unrest, revolution) in the not too distant future. But that's a whole different topic....lol patrick |
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Metatron Elite user Port Orchard, Washington 436 Posts |
Derrick,
Sorry for hijacking your thread. As you can see some people get emotionally charged, for or against the issue. About carrying protection, if it makes you feel safer than go ahead. You are obviously responsible enough since you have a carry permit. You are legally allowed to, your responsible enough, it makes you feel safer, so why not. Carlos, I was just pushing your buttons. Don't shoot me. Metatron |
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
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On 2010-03-02 16:26, patrick flanagan wrote: Patrick I was just pushing the envelope to illustrate how irrationally people think about guns to the point of phobia However in 24 years I have investigated assaults and homicides with ALL of those items, 22 fatal auto accidents, 214 personal injury auto accidents as well as a homicide with 2x4 and another with a golf club. In contrast only 2 firearms related homicides, 1 accidental shooting, one suicide and one police shooting. If you want something for the purposes you speak of check out Bushmaster. By the way I prefer Oranges. Quote:
On 2010-03-02 16:44, Metatron wrote: I don't know Metatron, you just called me "Carlos"!!!! Buttons reset It's all good. Peace. How about we get back to those double lifts! Carlo
Carlo DeBlasio
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Metatron Elite user Port Orchard, Washington 436 Posts |
No prob
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Tim Dowd Special user ...Making the Magic Happen! 942 Posts |
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On 2010-03-02 14:01, dmueller wrote: I am glad it worked out for you, I would also like to carry a gun in a dangerous area, sorry you couldn't avoid it. ... I just wanted to say that the gun thing is secondary... carrying protection to gigs was the question based on the fact that the entertainer does something which a member of the audience doesn't like. you can protect yourself by wearing a helmet, bullet proof vest, cricketers box, footballers shin-pads and sensible shoes. OR you could work longer and make sure no one is left behind OR get someone else to do "the dirty deed" the whole gun carrying as opposed to non-gun carrying is, as you all say, another point and is highly dependent on where you live in the world. I do though take umbrage at using the NON prefix. This assumes that what you are doing is correct and those that don't do it are somewhat inferior. Non-Smoker for instance assumes smoking is normal and I just don't do it. I am also a non-murderer and a non-rapist. upshot: if you live in Gaza, Mogadishu or Gary Indiana carry a gun. please read this with tongue firmly pressed into cheek...
Timothy Dowd
...Making the Magic Happen! http://www.timothydowd.com These are my points of view; I accept no responsibility for your interpretation of what I just said... |
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tabman Inner circle USA 5946 Posts |
When I was on the road with Elvis old backup singers, Memphis, one of the singers had a cool little black leather wallet with a built in 25 cal pistola with a trigger finger hole in it. He would carry his cash in his front pocket and the wallet-pistol in his back, you get the picture.
Our tour bus was like an armed camp but we werent overt about it, just Caréful. It was in the early 80s. Also, the high sheriff of Davidson Co TN (Nashville) Fate Saunders was in the habit of deputizing all the entertainers who did benefits for him and we all had deputy badges and ID too. Sheriff Fate later went to prison for corruption but he was always decent to the entertainment community. Get a Derringer.
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patrick flanagan Inner circle lisle, illinois 1045 Posts |
Now that I really think about it. I suppose I am armed when performing. I carry a 8" butterfly knife for Card Stab. It's on me when working and in my close-up case, which goes where I go, when not working. That still comes in second place against a gun..lol.
I've only had one instance where I felt moderately uncomfortable. I was working close up at a bar when, in the middle of a routine, some 25 yr old guy grabs my arm . He says, "Are you hitting on my girlfriend?". I moved in right up against him so he wouldn't be able to extend his arm for a punch and told him, "I'm short, older, overweight, and balding...and you're not. Do you really think your girlfriend would be interested?" I suppose a moment of clarity overcame him, because he thought for a second, laughed, apologized, and gave me a nice tip after the set. |
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ringmaster Inner circle Memphis, Down in Dixie 1974 Posts |
[quote]On 2010-02-25 02:58, ERIC wrote:
"I do have a carry permit and usually (not always) have her old service pistol (40 mm Beretta) with me." I have heard of a 9mm or 10mm, even a 45 calbre, I've carried all three on the job, but a 40 mm shell would be 1&5/8 inches across. I don't believe anyone makes a handgun like that. [/quoteM406, 40mm High-explosive (HE) round This round has an olive drab aluminum skirt with a steel projectile attached, gold markings, and a yellow ogive. It arms between 14 and 27 meters, and it produces a ground burst that causes casualties within a 5-meter radius
One of the last living 10-in-one performers. I wanted to be in show business the worst way, and that was it.
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