Thanks Breather, Just the answer I was hoping to see!

I agree on the TS. I like the HS, but, for me at least, the TS seems to flow a bit better. Just my opinion of course, no expertise implied.

Ahimsa,
Vlad

I learned the shuffle from Genii a while back. It looks good, but I don't like the sound of the waterfall. It doesn't sound identical to a real waterfall. Anyone get around this?

The problem with springing the second half is that, during that spring, it will appear lopsided. During the springing of the first half, you see both halves of the deck being bridged, if you were to spring the second half, then you would only be seeing on half of the deck being bridged and sprung.
Also, it adds time to the overall cascade, drawing it out, making it seem less natural.

I originally tried to let the second half sort of "fall" onto the first one at the end, rather than "placing" it so that there was a more continuous movement of the cards, and so that they did not land to squared.

There are plenty of subtitles out there for the second half, smearing, beveling, etc, but if the shuffle is done casually, none of them are needed.

My only real suggesting at the moment would be to try to make sure that the second half is actually bridged during the cascade. I have seen some people do the shuffle near perfect, and the only tell I ever saw was that the second half looked straight during the cascade.



I have "heard" some do this so it sounds identical. An unnatural sound can often be a dead give away that "something" happened.

It is really just a matter of practicing getting a soft spring. Try to spring more off the ball of the thumb. Does the thumb even have a ball? Closer to the first joint rather than the tip. In the more fleshy area of the thumb.


It's a lot like getting a really smooth LePaul spread. The same sort of knack.

I have learnt Truffle Shuffle, Heistein Shuffle and Grey Shuffle and

I think Grey Shuffle by Benjamin Earl is

Waaayyyy more

deceptive than other two.

Grey Shuffle is very similar to the Truffle shuffle but more deceptive.

If you know how to do Truffle shuffle, you will be able to do Grey Shuffle in

5 minutes. It's a very little modification, but that perfects everything.

What is it that you prefer about the Grey Shuffle?

Well... can't really say anything without revealing

but I can say that Grey looks way more natural.

If you look at truffle shuffle carefully it looks pretty different than normal

shuffle which means truffle shuffle is not that burnable.

btw grey shuffle is in his DVD "past midnight vol.2"

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/searc......=6284901

Vlad
You are right to a very large extent: I should not have said "the best" because this supposes that it is the best within certain criteria that I had not delineated before the statement.

My bad

Now the strength of the Heinstein, The Truffle, or any of this type of in-hand shuffles are based on several criteria:

1) no dealer in a casinos does a riffle shuffle any more. The cards are spread on the table and mixed with two hands; This grants to the Erdnase, Marlo types of riffle shuffle (and even my beloved Zarrow shuffle) a smelly flavor: for an audience, this is how a cheat shuffles. Furthermore it conveys the idea that the performer is in full control which basically is against the principle that shuffling the cards is a loss of control.

2) What makes these new shuffle deceptive is not the riffling, it's the cascading of the cards which for an audience means loss of control. Now between these shuffles, the criteria are not very clear.. I would say that I chose the Truffle shuffle for it is the most simple in my eyes (but I accept that "most simple" remains subjective). If you remember, Paul Le Paul had already walked this path but his horizontal weaving and vertical unweaving wasn't what could be visually expected by performers. His logic however was that he was after the convincer of the cascading cards (even he failed reaching his goal by a few inches)


3) Overhand shuffles are nice because they reflect the way most people in the occidental world do shuffle the cards. They are not however as deceptive as the cascading ones for there is a basic rampant knowledge that a card can be controlled to the top or the bottom: people may not know how to do it but they feel from their experience that it can be done.

Actually the choice of a shuffle is also heavily dictated by the natural hand positions in the performance conditions. A Riffle shuffle makes sense when performing sitting, an overhand shuffle or a cascading one, are very appropriate for strolling performers. The evolution of magic (outside the magic clubs or lecture circuits) is going towards less table space and more in hand work: this is actually what was behind my head when I hastily and erroneously stated the "best". So I will not venture further on this slippery slope. My statements above are corresponding to a certain logic and I fully appreciate that this logic, like any other, can be argued upon or walked around.

I'm still in some circumstances using the Hindu Shuffle underlining that "like this you will see very openly and very clearly how the trick isn't done".

Hmmm, that Truffle Shuffle is a bit harder to execute deceptively than at first appeared while watching the D&D download. The tough part, for me anyway, is keeping the very top of the packets where they need to be for the illusion to look convincing. If you're just a little off, it kind of ruins the whole thing. Keeping the riffle at a smooth pace throughout is a challenge, too, but it's getting better.

I know and use both shuffles - was just wondering what specifically you prefer about the GS. I think if you are selective with your wording there is no problem discussing the shuffle. This is a magic forum where frequently we go into technical details re. sleights. These particular shuffles have been discussed many times. Discussing these types of false ITH shuffles have inevitably referenced points such as the seperation of packets, packet size, fake waterfall sounds, thumb and finger positioning. Someone who has not been taught one of these FS would struggle to learn them from some of the technical discussions.

Oh thanks I'm kinda new here haha.


1. Truffle starts with square and ends with V.

Grey starts with square and ends with V.

I think spectator thinks V is little weird. They have seen square and inverse V but haven't seen V.


2. Truffle has a bed.

It doesn't look fair. If I shuffle only one time, it's okay but If I have to

do more, I would go for Grey.


3. When truffle waterfalls, It has unique separation motion.

It looks like flower blooming and it's kind of beautiful and that's the problem.

I think every false or blind shuffle has not to have anything special that

people would remember a thing. I have experienced that a spectator remembered

the waterfall was kind of pretty and unique while she were backtracking.

Grey kinda finishes earlier, but up and down motion covers well.

:)


These two are very very similar to each other.

Like two card springs; one that fingers are on the corner and one that fingers are on the end.


I'm sure both shuffle will still work, but longer my performance is,

I will do Grey shuffle.

Definitely need to learn the Grey Shuffle now.