On 2010-04-10 08:47, Brett Sherwood wrote:

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On 2010-03-10 12:15, Thomas Wayne wrote:
Automation and symmetry are not mutually dependent on one another. If I was trying to create the Sherwood cup effect I would consider using a roll die method, with an inner mandril and outer embossing die(s). Asymmetry - intentional or otherwise - could very easily be an integral part of the outer die(s), and different dies, applied in subsequent operations would almost certainly ensure more asymmetry.

Here's an example, albeit far lesser quality than the Sherwood cups, of the process having been used:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Embossed-Metal-Beade......09dd8074

Here's another example - note the reverse impression left on the backside: http://cgi.ebay.com/Little-Victorian-Dus......59fc18c4

"Shavings" around embossed metal designs are not uncommon and do not contitute "proof" of engraving; metal is being moved with force here, and the granular nature of the material can easily result in such tiny flaws. However, engraving specifically involves the removal of metal to produce a design. To insist that engraving is the process to produce the Sherwood cups - which I have examined very closely - is to insist that huge volumes of metal were removed in order to leave behind the raised designs the the cups display. More importantly, the engraving process will not leave behind the tell-tale reverse impression on the interior of the cup. These cups are not engraved, and such an assertion borders on the ridiculous.

There may be some metal chasing involved in the background detail of the Sherwood cups, but it is not the main process used and is very unlikely to have been done without the used of a pneumatic chasing "hammer" and perhaps CNC guidance of that tool. Again, inconsistencies in the design do not constitute "proof" of hand work on these cups.

I agree that the Sherwood cups are very nice looking, and I understand their desirability within the magic community. Multiple steps and processes are obviously involved in their production. But the design is not engraved, by hand or otherwise.

TW

Hi TW
I guess my artisan has boggled you!!
For the record - my cups are HAND ENGRAVED - sorry you are completely wrong and if you would have contacted me via email in a quiet fashion I would have not needed to correct you here, but you place in in a very awkward situation. I do not lie on my web site.
All the best to you and no hard feelings.
Sincerely,
BRETT Sherwood

On 2010-04-10 09:40, kentfgunn wrote:
Brett,

Every day I at least go in and wave to the cups you made. Those three little pieces of silver changed my life in magic.

Each person I know that has bought one or more sets of your cups thinks that your product is the finest example of cups and balls manufacture available. The semantics of how the elves you found to make the cups is of little import. If my discussion with the silversmith next door was out of line, I apologize.

Harkening back to the man who made the cups and balls so very popular with his seminal routine struck a chord in in many a man, young and old. I know that chord called to me from across the Atlantic.

Thanks for making my cups.

PS

TW, thanks for making that wand I use! Mastadon . . . you are a wild man!

PPS I know anyone can do the cups and balls with three lug nut caps and a drumstick. Performing with hand-made pieces of art allows the dreaming to be done.