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JNeal
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Is there a website to order from?
Also, what is the total height of the bottles in cm.?
visit me @ JNealShow.com
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On 2010-03-21 09:32, kh-magus wrote:
http://www.spellbound.co.jp/images/bottle.jpg

This is a link for more detailed picture.


KH-magus:

The photos are excellent but I have one question. Are the lips of the bottles made the same way as the Ken Brooke bottles? If you're familiar with the KB bottles you'll know what I mean.

Thanks.

Doug
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JNeal:

The height of the biggest bottle is 305mm.
and the height of the tube is about 350mm.
They have caps for carry a bottles.

I don't have a Web site right now because I am not in the magic dealer.
but I must make a Web site if there are many people who have interest in my bottles.
I will announce it if a Web form is completed.

If you are hastening the purchase of the bottle, PM me please.

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Hello, Doug!

I think that there is a difference strictly.
I wanted to perform it at the parlor situation.

so I made the mouth of the bottle precisely.
There is no problem even if audience are close.
(Especially, the eyes from the top)

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Bill Hegbli
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Ken Brooke's Multiplying Bottles are Iodized on the inside as well. I can see from your photos, the metal shows in the opening of the neck. The inside should be powder coated as well to be perfect.

It looks like the opening is very similar to the Ken Brooke neck opening. Fantastic product! The price is not out of line as the last set by Rings and Things 2 were priced around $700.00.

What do the Tubes Look Like? Are they metal as well or plastic?
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Hello kh-magus,

This set of bottles looks really excellent. I've only seen a few of excellent multiplying bottles sets that look so realistic.

The only point that shocked me a little bit are the lables. They're stuck quit high for wine bottles. On "normal" table wine bottles the border of the label is not higher than 2,5 to 3 cm from the bottom of the bottle.
But your set is so realistic, and I checked it out, this specific wine has the labels stucked higher on the bottles than all other general "normal" table wine bottles.

Really perfect ! Congratulations !

Oliver.
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Hello, wmhegbli

Yes. you are right.
I tried to paint inside with powder coat first.
but there was a problem.

Powder coat is very thick.
and sometimes bottles stacked it. Because my design is very tight.
We may have to paint it thinly with a lacquer.

Our tube is paper tube.
That is light weight, and very easy to handle.
The plastic tube is a little too heavy for the bottles in my opinion.

you can paint them easily.
if you want, we can paint it with the color you choose.


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Hello, Oliver

Thank you very much!

My label copies the design and position of a certain bottle in detail.
However, we can ship them with brand-new stickers.
so you can put the label by your self if you want.
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On 2010-03-21 19:47, Oliver Ross wrote:
Hello kh-magus,

This set of bottles looks really excellent. I've only seen a few of excellent multiplying bottles sets that look so realistic.

The only point that shocked me a little bit are the labels. They're stuck quit high for wine bottles. On "normal" table wine bottles the border of the label is not higher than 2,5 to 3 cm from the bottom of the bottle.
But your set is so realistic, and I checked it out, this specific wine has the labels stuck higher on the bottles than all other general "normal" table wine bottles.

Really perfect ! Congratulations !

Oliver.


My goodness, the man make the most perfect set of bottles in the history of magic and you are faulting the whole project because of a couple millimeters of label placement. Come on! No one would come up and bring a matching bottle to a magic show and measure label placement.

I have been in a package liquor store and labels are all over the place in placement shape and size. They are also placed on the bottles by hand in many wineries.
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Man I just keep looking at the pictures of tis set and my jaw drops everytime. They are just amazing. Someone should create a multiplying bottle set museum like the cups and balls museum.
ELi
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On 2010-03-16 09:11, kh-magus wrote:
I made this wine bottle set in Japan.
my friend craftman made this for me.

That's the best set I've ever seen!
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I talked to the craftsman.
Now we start making a few bottle set.
It takes about six weeks by the completion.

This is my address.
admin@spellbound.co.jp

Our bottle is a little delicate because it is thinner than other bottles.
of course, it has enough firmness if you use it correctly.

You can use the authentic labels as you like.
Put boiling water in the bottle to tear off a label easily from the wine bottle.
(It doesn't work well in some bottles.)


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Thank you for the kind word!
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[quote]On 2010-03-21 21:15, wmhegbli wrote:
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My goodness, the man make the most perfect set of bottles in the history of magic and you are faulting the whole project because of a couple millimeters of label placement. Come on! No one would come up and bring a matching bottle to a magic show and measure label placement.

I have been in a package liquor store and labels are all over the place in placement shape and size. They are also placed on the bottles by hand in many wineries.


I think I got misunderstood :

I'm not faulting the whole project, I'm just saying that the labels on general wine bottles are placed lower and closer to the bottom of the bottle. BUT : Concerning the label that kh-magus used, and his label is an existing french wine, the label has to be so high since on the real bottles they're placed aswell in the same spot as kh-magus did. So they're really looking perfect.

When I said that the height of the label shocked me at first, I was just referring to general wine bottles, that you see mostly in shops for sale, where the lables are lower. Since I'm living in France, the country of wines and champagnes, it popped into my eye right away, when I saw his set, because I didn't know this kind of wine yet.

But it has to be like this to make the Chβteau La Verriθre look perfect.

Of course you're right, since I believe aswell that nobody will attemp to see a magic show with a bottle of wine in his jacket.

When I'm using "gimmicked common objects" in my show to do magic with I like them to look as real as possible. Even if the chances are very low, you never know, you could have an expert of the used object sitting in the audience (a wine expert for exemple), which can tell the difference even sitting 12 feet away from the stage.
I know that magic is not a perfect science, but if you can make things look perfect, try to do so. To me it's important.

So to make it clear once again. This bottles set looks perfectly real, as if you would have the real existing wine bottles in front of you. You can't tell the difference.
An other detail which makes them look so perfect : They seem to have the bottom slightly wedged to the insight as normal bottles would have (at least it looks like), not like the cheap tricky sets where the bottle bottoms finish straight down to the table.

Oliver.
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Oliver:

I agree on your stance to pursue to perfection.
That is the reason why I made this bottles.

and... you are correct!
The bottom of my bottle is not straight down.

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Bill Hegbli
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Is there a performance video using these bottles before an audience? Do to the close tolerences do the bottles easily slide out without scratching the surface of the appearing bottle.

A lot of performers base their routines on the Ken Brooke instruction, a working would be well to clinch a sale.
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I agree. The minute I either a) see these in person or b) a performance video, I'm sold!
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Hello, Michael,

I will make a Web site in a hurry.

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wmhegbli:

I think that the surface of the inside the bottle is
most important to avoid scratching.

The inside surface of our bottles are smooth.
Outside is painted by powder coat.
I don't know a better way than it.

if you need perfect protection,
You can put the paper sticker or cloth on the inside the bottle.

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Let me introduce about myself.

I am working as magic consultant in Japan.
and now I am teaching magic girls called "Primavera".
They are populor magician in Japan.

http://www.primavera9.net/index.html

They are also using my bottles.
http://www.primavera9.net/images/stage.jpg
so I may be able to show you their movie later on.

This is Primavera and I.
http://www.spellbound.co.jp/images/magicians.jpg

Top Left
Primavera with Mr.David Copperfield.
Haruo Shimada is my good friend,
and he introduced Primavera to David at 2007.

Top Right
with Mr.Franz Harary.
He came to meet them at last year.

Bottom Left
with Mr.Andrew Goldenhersh.
and left is my boss.

Bottom Right
with Mr.Mark Wilson and Mr.Greg Wilson.
We work together in Yokohama JAPAN at 2009.
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Bill Hegbli
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My comments were about my concern for the turned in bottom of the bottles. Being turned in will created an edge that will scrap along the inner bottle as it is lifted, thus marring (scratching) the surface of the inner bottles.

Also this turned in bottom will catch on the label and tear it as it is being removed. Your close tolerances can create some problems in this area of working.
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Mr. wmhegbli:

Oh. It was my misunderstanding.
(I am not good at English well.)
Thank you for your advice!

so You think that the bottom line had better be straight?

A trouble doesn't happen at the time of the present...
I don't know why. Our label may be strong.
(our label is not paper. polypropylene)

However, we can make the bottom of the bottle straight.
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I guess it is kind of the pick and choose sort of game. Having the turned in bottome makes the bottles look more realistic, but may scratch the appearing bottle in the future after repeated use, or, have straight down bottles the stop this(really further prevent0 this scratching from happening, although the trade off here is then they do not look as realistic.
Pick and choose boys. As for me, I would pick the turned in bottle and just be careful, but I cant afford them anyways.
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I don't think it's the turned in bottom that makes a multiplying bottle look realistic or unrealistic. To me, it's the color and label as well as the appearance of the neck of the bottles. That's what makes kh's bottles look so good - the neck along with the color/label.
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On 2010-03-22 16:19, MichaelKent wrote:
I don't think it's the turned in bottom that makes a multiplying bottle look realistic or unrealistic. To me, it's the color and label as well as the appearance of the neck of the bottles. That's what makes kh's bottles look so good - the neck along with the color/label.

I agree with you I on this, also, though, I think the turned up bottles does make them look more realistic. just sayin
eli
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