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MagicByRichard
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Hi Wmhegbli,
Thank you for the kind information. I will need to weigh my options over the next few months. Your knowledge is invaluable.

Hi Pete,
This set is in such good shape yet, perhaps I will use a few times in upcoming shows and guage response accordingly. I really am uncomfortable altering them at this time. I found in past couple of days that the bottles took on a nicer shine and the tubes cleaned up better then I expected...perhaps I already have my ideal set to work with after all. I really love this web-site.
Magically yours,
Richard
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wizardpa
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I have the Super deluxe Harries Set of bottles. I guess it helps to look at my box.
Bill Hegbli
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MagicbyRichard, I would diffently get the Ken Brooke routine, learn it and try it out. I just change the exposure ending and produce seemingly 2 additional bottles. It is simple once you learn the complete routine.

As for the set you have, it is made much better then anything currently on the market. They are near the same size and look really great. If you have the ability to pour liquid, that is an added feature not included with some sets and it can lead to combining routines, like Airborne Glass and Hydrostatic Glass tricks.

As I have always said, magic equipment is not worth anything unless it is used and enjoyed by audiences. I would much rather have a prop that was wore out do to constant use then one that was in prestine condition, and kept in a box for years.
Engine
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Hey there - This is a bit of a departure but aside from the the Ken Brooke, Paul Romhany/Reg Donnelley and Tom Stone routine s does anyone have a good finish for the trick?
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Look at my finish, at http://www.petebiro.com click on VIDEOS and scroll down
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Bill Hegbli
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On 2010-11-23 18:56, Engine wrote:
Hey there - This is a bit of a departure but aside from the the Ken Brooke, Paul Romhany/Reg Donnelley and Tom Stone routine s does anyone have a good finish for the trick?


Are you asking that the production of a huge amount of bottles on filling a table top is not a good finish?

I can only ask, have you learned the routine and tried it? The finish is built into the routine wording in the Brooke routine. I cannot speak for the other routines as I do not own them.

The routine is fun to present, fun to watch and the audience members have told me they enjoyed the bottle trick. What more do anyone want from a trick.
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On 2010-11-23 18:56, Engine wrote:
Hey there - This is a bit of a departure but aside from the the Ken Brooke, Paul Romhany/Reg Donnelley and Tom Stone routine s does anyone have a good finish for the trick?


Ron Wilson's routine, in which the bottles looked like J&B bottles, concluded with him lifting one of the tubes and revealing the glass now filled with scotch. He picked up the glass, toasted the audience, and took a sip as he walked offstage.
Bill Hegbli
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Those glass filling bottles are no longer on the market, wish I would have gotten a set when they were available in 1980. There was a comedy set that filled the glasses.
Engine
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Hi Pete..I looked at your video but I can't rollerskate Smile

wmhegbli - The large production is good but honestly it's a bit like a chopper in that there isn't a definite end per se...more of an applause cue...but not a solid punch. Of course I'm not trying to argue with legends. I'm just looking for something else.

The Ron Wilson thing is great.... Hmm...would it be possible to gaff the last bottle (or the first 'oops bottle') like Ultimate Floating Airborne Glass?
Engine
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...maybe I could produce a jumbo swizzle stick & cocktail olive....
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Lloyd Jones used to have a three foot tall display whiskey bottle behind his bar style table and just grabbed it and walked forward and hoisted it up in the air.
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On 2010-11-23 22:31, wmhegbli wrote:
Those glass filling bottles are no longer on the market, wish I would have gotten a set when they were available in 1980. There was a comedy set that filled the glasses.


Ron made his owm out of one of the bottles in his set. You can find a description of how he did it along with a diagram in the introduction to his book The Uncanny Scot Ron Wilson.
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On 2010-11-23 22:31, wmhegbli wrote:
Those glass filling bottles are no longer on the market, wish I would have gotten a set when they were available in 1980. There was a comedy set that filled the glasses.


The current Harries set still has this feature. It has one bottle that can load a glass with liquid using pretty much the method described in the Ron Wilson book, although I had to do a few modifications to make it work properly on my set.
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On 2010-11-23 22:31, wmhegbli wrote:
Those glass filling bottles are no longer on the market, wish I would have gotten a set when they were available in 1980. There was a comedy set that filled the glasses.


Actually I just bought a set just like that a month ago, without knowing it.
The bottles are marked with Harries company, but I bought them from pegani.dk
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I disagree that the rapid production of all those bottles at the end is not a big finish. You seem to perceive the need for a finish or kicker that occurs in an instant. But final production of all those bottles is so rapid fire, I believe that qualifies as a kicker and also as a big finish. Maybe we need to see it from the audience's perspective.
I have adopted Bill's ending without the exposure and it plays great for all audiences.

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Thom Bliss
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Big finish:

1) Do the multiplying bottles on a tray. At end of trick, assistant takes tray off stage, then we hear a load crash. (If you can pour from your bottle, assistant may have been emptying the glass as you go along.)

2) Put all the bottles in a big cardboard box, then pick-up box, allowing bottom of box to open, then fold up the box. (Similar in effect to a Himber trick, though you'd have to use a different method.)

3) Produce more bottles, without the tubes. Silvester the Jester has a method for doing this in his jacket-less topit video.

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Body language and music are all you need to finish strong with the Ken Brooke Routine. See my ending at http://www.petebiro.com with a giant flagstaff production.
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2 grand for the Hanada set now .Wished I had jumped in at $995.
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This discussion is much like discussing the Chop Cup trick. In that trick, the finale of 2 large balls is revealed. What that does is make everything before the finale unimportant and causes the audience to totally forget about everything that has proceeded. In other words, there is no reason to do the Multiplying Bottles as it will be totally forgotten with a grand climax. Something to think about!

Additionally, the trick does not really create a moment for a shocking climax. Most magic effects that use a grand or shocking finale, are or were designed to be forgotten. Why, because they are the lead in or method to make it possible to produce the finale.

Having said that, I believe that only magicians would remember what has lead up to the moment of revealing the finale item. Laymen will forget and say, "He did something and then there was this giant 3 foot bottle!"

Just as in Dove Magic, producing a large silk and stretching and knotting it to prove it is totally unprepared, is not much of a trick. but when the dove appears, that is real magic, and all that has been done before is totally forgotten. It was important to proving how unprepared the scarf is, but not for the magical production of the bird.

As magician's we are looking for that huge shock finale, but one has to chose the right trick for that production. Just because it is logical to produce a large bottle because in the current effect bottles are being used is not a good enough reason to produce a giant bottle.

Just some food for thought!
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Hi Bill, gonna disagree with some of that last post.

I think the finale for the chop cup makes sense and is a logical magical conclusion to the trick. There were lots of balls, then we produce two giant ones. Ta da! The end.

The finale for the bottles has to be connected to the effect, so something comnpletely different or shocking would probably not work, as you mention.

The problem is that more and more and more bottles definitely does not provide a finale. I'm not crazy about giant bottles because that seems a little obvious, but it might work.

The Lance Burton version with the silk on the neck at least goes somewhere with the trick, but that is a very modest finale.

I don't like the argument that "presentation" can be the climax. I want a real finale AND I'm going to use great presentation!

Still looking...
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