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KLG Veteran user Hong Kong 348 Posts |
Lee Asher had just released a new PDF on his Losing Control. It has been my go-to control for years. I like the control very much since it is a rare move that has truely no move. Lee had broken down the control in details and offered a few more handling. If you are not familiar with Losing Control, please do check it out!
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zenki_ice New user 1 Post |
Thz~~
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
This is one of the best controls there is!
I have amazed many a magician (who were waiting for the "move" to happen). If Lee is offering this a single item PDF it certainly gets my highest recommendation without question. It is outstanding (and one I often use). With Regards, Sean |
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Loz Special user London 777 Posts |
By total coincidence I just went back (before checking the Café) to re-read this control and was once again enamoured. The primary issue I think is smoothness. When I first had this performed for me I was totally fooled. It is great.
However, I have one question for those that have used it extensively in the real world: Does it fly by laypeople? I speculate that magicians tend to be more fooled by this than lay people because magicians are looking in the wrong place. Specs tend to burn their card (without proper management - important caveat there). I tend to believe that this control is excellent after a few effects, by which time lay people are accustomed to the procedure for selection and replacement. Because magicians are usually looking in the wrong place for the discrepancy/move they are more often fooled by this (as I was) than lay people who have rarely, if ever, selected a card and had it replaced. Feel free to flame me! Lawrence |
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
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On 2010-03-28 10:28, Loz wrote: Lawrence... I typically perform for layperson and this flies by one and all. You're are right about the reason for it's deceptiveness... it is very offbeat and there is absolutely no tension or cues to it's fooling nature. I only mention it flew by magicians because the nature of the control is very different than most published. It is based on a visual and perception descrepancy that goes unnoticed. In fact, these types of "sleights" are my preference (those that never create physical tension and are offbeat by nature). So, to answer the question, properly done this flies by laymen and magicians alike. I also have used this quite often as the first sleight in the sequence of a few. I have never had a problem with it not being deceptive that way. Sean |
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Loz Special user London 777 Posts |
Thanks Sean, I'm going to work this up to be fluid and natural. It may be nice to catalogue moves like you describe: discrepant yet natural. I agree these are among the most effective type of sleight - if they can even be called that. The Tenkai optical reverse springs to mind.
Lawrence |
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
...It is my pleasure
While they all accomplish different things, here are a few of my favorite: The Prophecy Move: Bill Simon The Backstage Pass: Gregory Wilson The Bluff Pass: Paul LePaul The Swain Control: Jim Swain Convincing Control: Ed Marlo Versatile Control: Frank Simon Drop Sleight: Jack Merlin Each of these use visual discrepancies or subtle perception flaws to accomplish their purposes. I am sure there are legions more, but I can't seem to recall them off the top of my head. They are all great utilities/controls. With Regards, Sean |
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KLG Veteran user Hong Kong 348 Posts |
I can also confirm it works perfectly on laymen (It is my everyday control).
BTW, another "discrepant" control that I love is Andi Gladwin's Inflight Control. |
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Chris K Inner circle 2544 Posts |
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On 2010-03-28 10:28, Loz wrote: Bought this last night and had the exact opposite feeling, I don't like it at all. It seems like you are trying to do it at the worst possible time. Additionally, unless I am missing something, it's also a single card control, which puts it at a disadvantage versus things like the side steal or pass. I was less than impressed. HOWEVER... Based on the posts by Sean Waters, I think this is one of those situations where I need to ignore my "magician"/"mentalist" response, put in the time, and try it out. I use a "RF" for other reasons anyway, so I'm even ahead of the curve a little bit there. I have high hopes for this and can't wait to get smooth enough to try it out. For anybody else reading this, many times my initial feelings about a move/trick are way off. Recent examples include Name Dropper from the True Astonishments DVD series while a much older example is the Criss-Cut Force (by any other name...), which I still use to this day even though it seems as obvious as water being wet. I'll be back once I get some practice and real world experience with this. Lem PS: Sean, Bannon has a neat one he dubbed (going from memory here) the "Discrepent Fat Block Switch" or something along those lines. That one is fun too. |
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
Lem,
Thanks for the comments and for the compliment (of confidence in my opinion). I do not know Lee, but bought this years ago in one of his booklets (I honestly don't remember the name now). I have used this ever since. Use: It will control any chosen card directly to the top, with no furtive movement Caveat: it must be used as a first sleight, if you are going to use a sequence. As far as comparisons to the pass, the only comment I'll make is most people THINK their pass is deceptive. I only say this because I know mine is not (unless certain aspects of the routine help cover it's use). I think you'll find Lee's control to be a useful tool in the arsenal. Dang... I am going to have to look up that Bannon move. He is one of my absolute favorites. Regards, Sean |
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lunatik Inner circle 3222 Posts |
On another note, whatever happened to the Pulp Friction DVD that was promised at least 4 years ago?
"Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
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TonyPorter Regular user 180 Posts |
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On 2010-03-28 14:02, Waters wrote: T*lt + sl*p c*t. ;) |
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Loz Special user London 777 Posts |
I've never understood the sl*p C*t as you call it
To me its meant to look like a cut but isn't a proper cut. If this is true, then the idea of doing a T*lt then a sl*p c*t is, in the eyes of the spectator the same as putting their card in the deck and cutting it once. i.e. blatantly cutting it to the top. Am I missing something here? I usually am. Lawrence |
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Lee Asher V.I.P. 496 Posts |
Thanks for all the kind words gents. It's much appreciated. The LC is a powerful tool if used properly. Have fun and go fool someone with it today!
Enjoy. Asher ps. for those of you who have no idea what the Losing Control is or can do, check this out. . . .
LEARN ONE CARD ROUTINE EVERY MAGICIAN MUST KNOW
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
I just downloaded this from Lee this morning and took a brief look at the videos that Lee has made to supplement the .pdf manuscript. Man! If performed correctly, is this ever deceiving. I'm just starting to get into the manuscript but should be dead easy to learn. BTW,...did I mention how deceiving this move is?
Mike P.S. [quote]On 2010-03-29 16:15, Lemniscate wrote: Quote:
*** Lem (or anyone), Where might this Bannon move be taught? Which book(s)? also, is it on his Bullets after Dark DVD set?
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto. Eschew obfuscation. |
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dylan magic Elite user 424 Posts |
Turk:
its in his book dear mr fantasy. it could be on the dvds as well as a lot of the material in dear mr fantasy was filmed for the set. lee's work is always great, shame he doesn't release more often. |
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
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On 2010-05-13 04:15, dylan magic wrote: Thanks for that info, Dylan. It is much appreciated. In DMF, is this "Discrepant Fat Block Switch" taught as a separate item, or is it discussed as part of one of the featured effects in that book? If discussed as part of an effect, would you please be so kind as to provide the name of that effect. And, it would be great if the "Discrepant Fat Block Switch" is, in fact, taught on Bullets After Dark" DVDs (or even on a prior video). Thanks again for narrowing down my search to at least DMF. I'll have to check that book out. Best, Mike
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto. Eschew obfuscation. |
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
Hi, Dylan.
I found it!! It (i.e., The "Discrepant Fat Block Switch") was described in the first effect, "Iconoclastic Aces". It might be mentioned in other effect later on in the book, but, at least it is described in that first effect. Thanks again for the reference. Thanks, again. Mike
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto. Eschew obfuscation. |
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Chris K Inner circle 2544 Posts |
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On 2010-05-13 22:56, Turk wrote: First, sorry for the delay in responding. I think I might have gotten the fat block switch out of his "Smoke & Mirrors" book first (at least that is how I remember it), I'll have to look. My personal style and preference is that I don't particularly care for the ace assemblies at the beginning of DMF, they feel like effects made for showing other magicians (which is NOT my audience), so I am fairly sure I used the fat block switch in other effects. Lem |
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joseph Eternal Order Please ignore my 17407 Posts |
Even after I performed the losing control, I had no idea how I did it.. ..
It looks great...
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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