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Thanks for the advice. I should have some snappy looking torches in a few days.

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As far as taste the only difference Ive noticed is that cotton torches when they run out of fuel and start to burn, become ashy and get small embers. Much like eating paper that's on fire. Kevlar gets ruined when burned without fuel but doesn't ever "break down".

Also, I think I have a set of Slim's Torches, but they aren't the ones you are describing the are long with a small ball on the handle, they have a copper guard just before the wick, and the wick is basically a sewn cube of canvas, I'm guessing stuffed with cotton.
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With Kevlar, when there's a lot of carbon on it, you can gently wipe a lot of it off. Or wash them.
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On 2010-04-03 14:15, Martin_Ling wrote:
As far as taste the only difference Ive noticed is that cotton torches when they run out of fuel and start to burn, become ashy and get small embers. Much like eating paper that's on fire. Kevlar gets ruined when burned without fuel but doesn't ever "break down".

Also, I think I have a set of Slim's Torches, but they aren't the ones you are describing the are long with a small ball on the handle, they have a copper guard just before the wick, and the wick is basically a sewn cube of canvas, I'm guessing stuffed with cotton.


Those aren't Slim's torches
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Dan, yes you are right. They are contact torches from Bearclaw Fire Arts.

http://www.bearclawmfg.com/catalog/conta......1537bfcd
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You can see a pick of Slim's torches here:

http://www.theshockdocshow.com/gallery/?p=2

http://www.theshockdocshow.com/gallery/?p=4

and here:

http://www.theshockdocshow.com/gallery/?v=2

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Harley, what kind of Kevlar are you using? Like the juggling torches from Dube wicks? They have wire in them so I wouldn't think that.

I'm just tired of rebuilding torches but I must have the same performance.

I like the sock idea. Surgitube. Where do you find that? CVS? Walgreens? Or a medical supply store?
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Dube sells a fire "cord" it's like a kevlar yarn, this is what is generally used in fire eating torches.
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On 2010-04-01 20:13, Freak Prodigy wrote:
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On 2010-04-01 19:09, Harley Newman wrote:
I use cotton core, with a kevlar outer layer. It doesn't hold fluid as much as simply cotton, but it lasts a looooong time.


Yes yes!


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On 2010-04-07 03:03, Freak Prodigy wrote:
Dube sells a fire "cord" it's like a kevlar yarn, this is what is generally used in fire eating torches.


I use a "fire rope" which in the UK you can get from either a stove shop (wood burning etc) or other hardware stores. It is basically used to lag the door of wood burning stoves - or you can get some from me! I have a 50 foot roll! It’s a lot wider than I wanted but it has a core that can be stripped out (just like magicians rope). It is made of "glass" and does not burn. Good at holding fuel and last good season or two before needing to be re-wicked. (Thanks Ken!).

Any one in the UK reading this thread - the tube stuff for fingers that was mentioned - is generally known as tubi-grip in the UK. I have a LARGE supply of this as well ..... but you may not want any off me as it has been around my lower legs! EW! Smile

Shock Doc ... do you use your eating rods as your blow out rods as well?
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Dave, I don't know what that means in your country, but over here we generally shy away from saying things like "eating" and "blowing" rods.
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Get the cord from Dube, and unravel it into smaller groupings of two threads each.

A couple of cotton balls form the core. Tie one end of a thread group at the base of the core, and wrap. At a certain point, I add a carpet needle (big eye) to the thread, and begin to weave, under, over, under, over, until the torch head has the size and shape I want.

As a final step, I take the thread through the core a couple of times, and trim off the end.

I had my first set of kevlar heads for about 7 years. My current set (hybrid) is several years old, and still works very nicely.
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I'm so used to cotton wadding I don't know if I would be as proficient with cord? I have ordered some of the surgitubing from an online store so I don't have to drive around trying to find it. It comes in White or Flesh colored. I went with the white and don't think I'll mess with dying it red. White is fine and I look forward to just changing socks so the outside of my torches look nice.

After 24 years of eating fire I am now changing how I make my torches?? I guess I'm not set in my ways.
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This video might help.

It teaches you how to build a strong simple torch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR0qrjNV5TI
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Looks nice, but that's not something someone would use on stage is it? More like "practice torches" really. Part of stage work and prop making is to add a little bit of flair! Something with a nice visual display rather than something that looks like it was made in the performers kitchen. Please don't take this wrong (usually people respond poorly to this type of post), I am not saying your torches suck, it's just a bit too plain for some of the folks who wear bright red sequinned pants with black flame print jacket and leather top hat. Check out my torches at the bottom of the page http://greatnippulini.com/sideshow.html and you'll notice immediately that the visual effect of hand forged irons simply cannot be beat. Also, my patened wick barbing REALLY keeps the head from falling out. I've hung my 186 pound frame from the wicking on my torches without a stitch loose, you just can't get that effect without a good metalworking knowledge and/or a well equipped workshop.
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That and they just look cool as well.
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On 2010-07-05 07:37, thegreatnippulini wrote:
you just can't get that effect without a good metalworking knowledge and/or a well equipped workshop.


I am fairly sure Nipps is wrong here!

I have virtually no "metalworking knowledge" - OK I can use a drill and make a holey mess of several types of metla - and with different sizes of hole as well!

But this is where he is wrong. If I had his "well equiped workshop" I would not be able to prodice the amazing stuff he makes.

His statement really should have said "and" and not "and / or".

Nipps Stuff is "da bom" - I have no idea what it means but some of the kids say it so it must be good! (Nipps still wiating for the advertising fee from the last time I said your stuff was great!).

PS how is hte beached whale? Erm I mean Wife and unborn baby? When is she due to ... whats the term .... DROP?
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Dave, I was being specific to the barbed edges in the tips. Otherwise you are correct.... I think. No... maybe not... Yeah, the skills and tools required to put the barbs into the edges of the steel make my comment correct. No wait.. you were talking about the whole and/or thing. Disregard the above.

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Well buckle my braces and call me BOB you sure cleared that one up!

Welcom Carisa. Any relation to Robert?

So quick question:-

How long you been performing fire stunts? Are you in to any other magic related skills? Side show, sword swallowing (of lets not be itemist ... any long falic item can be swallowed - I happen to know Brett has a shoe horn ...... although I fear there may be a possible problem with language here as you americans always get the wrong idea! - Blowing rods, getting a horn from a shoe ... you alwys get it mixed up! - Absolutly no hint of a sexual pun and you all go and get mixed up and before you know it Im usuing the word Sword where any long item will do!)

Just in case you ahvent come across me (Behave Mr Nipps!) I tend to spout gibberish and generaly "sit in a corner and go wibble" - Any one .... any one .... any one .... Buler.... any one... (name the show that "sit in a corner and go wibble" is from .... Ill give you a clue ..... "its cold outside, there is no king of atmosphere .... Im all alone more or less"). And if you cant get it from that well shame on you for not being British enough!
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Dave, who is your question being directed towards? The one before the gibberish.
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