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Navy New user 59 Posts 
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Well, I have mine working just fine and dandy. I made it my trick and do it quite slowly, because I do not think magic has to be rushed. Learned that from Al Cohen. I also am not afraid to shell out money for a good routine. Yes I can do these routines with regular coins with the Sylvester Pitch, but I like great gimmicks. This is great.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9988 Posts
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For me, part of the problem is holding the coins up vertically with the back of the hands to the audience. This is not a natural way of holding or handling coins for a lay person -- so they will always be suspicious of that part of the hand they cannot see. It is possible to do 3Fly type effects with the hands at waist level, flat and open and only the three coins in evidence.
So, it is not a matter of when to show only three coins, but one of illiminating the suspicion by naturally showing the hands empty throughout the effect -- never making an issue out of it to draw attention. I'm not against using Gaffs instead of a fourth coin, only in making moves that appear natural -- with a sensible lead in and exit.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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PAUL K Special user Massachusetts 547 Posts
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I like Gaffs.But if you can do the trick without the gaff and it looks the same
why not.Some of the Gaffs just do not look real.With the fourth coin you can end the trick with success you can show both hands. Everyone has there own preference and what works best for them.It a has to look casual and natural.Hopefully in time we get that way and how we want it to look. Paul |
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magicalwishes Regular user Hickory, NC 143 Posts
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When you say ... looks the same ... do you mean subtle looks for exactly the same?
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9988 Posts
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I don't understand how "hand up in front of face with backs to the audience" looks anything like "waist high, open hands palm up."
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts
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On 2010-04-06 22:12, Jonathan Townsend wrote: All good points Jon, I totally agree that reinforcing the point that there are only three is a good idea. I also think that not looking cramped or ham fisted is a good idea too. I think that is part about getting in front of the magic. |
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts
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On 2010-04-06 23:05, Eric Jones wrote: Eric, I am always willing to have an opportunity to discuss or watch magic with you. And I am perfectly fine to disagree on many points. I look forward to see the new rhythms you are talking about. One point: I totally agree that when the first coin goes across the spectators first thought, is extra coin(s). Therefore, dispelling that distracting thought is paramount in my thinking. Whether by gaff or technique, convince them there is only three. I think ALL magic is about them "not being able to catch it" or it wouldn't be magic! 
It they really thought there is an extra pea and that you could switch them in and out without them seeing it, then there is no reason to play. Same as for 3 Fly. Coins cleanly moving from one hand to another, is the magic for that trick. Anything that accomplishes that, is fine with me. In keeping with Jon's thought, if you are in front of the magic, you are the magic and no matter what you do, they will like it. So each of us may get "good" reactions with whatever approach we take, and it won't be until we do both approaches with good presentation that we will know which is more effective, most of the time. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On 2010-04-07 06:58, funsway wrote: If you are working for just a few people and they are quite near you - I'd likely agree that palms up open display is more appropriate - as they are looking down onto your hands. If you have folks a couple of steps away it becomes more natural to hold things up and close to vertical so they can see what you're holding.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Navy New user 59 Posts
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I found this on Chastain's site. Perhaps this might solve some of the questions.
http://www.magicbyenigma.com/phlyedemo2.html |
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magicalwishes Regular user Hickory, NC 143 Posts
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Thanks Navy that was pretty good variation.
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Navy New user 59 Posts
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I am Jerry, although I have the size correctly formatted I can't get my avatar to work.
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magicalwishes Regular user Hickory, NC 143 Posts
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I watched the video again and I can't see how he is getting the gimmicks in and out.
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Navy New user 59 Posts
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It is pretty *** clean. I would like to see this in the Morgan.
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts
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I would definitely agree that the second demo is much better than the first. I am sure we could get to the point where there were just three coins in the hand and then the routine starts.
Not a bad price for a good variation of the three fly genre. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Looks like a useful coin set for more than just the coins across.
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Navy New user 59 Posts
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Yes indeed. I own it.
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tophead New user 36 Posts
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Ahh expensive coin gaffs/sets... I love playing with them but usually end up doing stuff without gaffs. There are so many great gaffs that can be found cheaply and these expensive sets never really seem to progress the effects they try to.
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magicxman Regular user 142 Posts
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Ya, I agree this gaff set is too expensive. I like to perform 3 Fly without gaff.
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts
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Hey Ponte the Smith has some really great ideas and clean displays on his 3-Fly on the Sick DVD.
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Sean Giles Inner circle Cambridge/ UK 3517 Posts
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I have watched all the demo videos of this now. I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand I like how the hands don't come together at all. On the other hand there seems to be some unnatural looking adjustments to the coins in the clean up. I'm intriuged but not sold on it yet. Does anyone have this?
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