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Jamie D. Grant
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I just posted this in the Latest and the Greatest but, I think we can all agree, that it makes sense to post it here as well. At least, I hope we can all agree, lol.

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Hiya Gang!

I used to know nothing about the Cups & Balls. Zero, Ziltch, Nada, No comprendo la cups and ballsio. If you had asked me to show you a C & B routine, I would have pulled out my Chop Cup and bonked you on the head with it. A false transfer?! What the heck is that? Pshaw!

I prided myself on only doing Walk Around, Corporate type stand up style magic. A table?! That is something we eat off! Ha! ~And then something happened...

I got the bug to go busking. Where it came from, who knows! But it was like a disease. I felt myself slowly deteriorating every time I stayed indoors. Don't get me wrong, I've done thousands of gigs- both Walk Around and Stage, but it wasn't the street. I got the idea into my head that I wasn't (in my mind) the real thing until I set my magical foot on the sidewalk...

So I went looking for routines. And it always came back to the Cups and Balls~ Cellini, Gazzo, Morris, Palmer; it was universal. Vernon was the final knock-out blow. I had to learn it. The thing was, I had never liked it. So I started to ask myself why. I came up with two reasons:

1) Most routines I saw were a bit too "confrontational" for my tastes. Making people guess where balls were simply didn't suit my style.

2) I had never understood the bead around the middle of the cup. Was it supposed to look like two or something? How come I've never drank out of a cup with a bead around it? Why was it there? Now, of course, I understand the reasoning, but it never looked right for me.

And so it began. I stumbled upon James Prince's awesome routine (which I'm proud to say will be included with the JDG Fundamentals) which I loved. It was quick, surefire and used no extra balls. I changed the premise to a 3 Shell Game theme- I even go so far as to introduce the cups as shells. "Folks, I'm going to show you that game you see in New York. You know, the Three Shell Game. You guys have really been nice, though, so I've made these bigger for viewing and learning purposes!"

Secondly, I was talking with the amazing Donnie Buckley one day (I was still raving about my Mini Don Alan Chop Cup) and was lamenting the center bead, when he said those magical words, "I can make you a set without it."


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And there it was. Now no one here appreciates more than I the sheer audacity of me coming out with my own set of cups. It's nothing short of a mix between embarrassment and impertinence. However, in my defense, I would like to say that I know, perhaps, a thing or two about design. And, something I know for sure, is that I know what I like. And what Donnie sent me was exactly what I had in mind:

a) No Center Bead.
b) Heavy.
c) The exact size for a tennis ball, so no matter where in the world I end up, I can find a final load.
d) They could pass as something I would use to con someone via the Three Shell Game. That they wouldn't look out of place, on the street or indoors.

So that's the story. After some further brainstorming, Donnie and I thought that there might be a few other crazy people, like myself, who would like to approach the Cups and Balls the way I am, so we're releasing these as "The JDG Fundamental Cups". Why Fundamental? Because that's their design...

They're not made to stack (although they will if you don't mind a scuff or two- which being on the street will be of zero consequence). They're not made to do Stacking moves. They're not made to look super fancy. And, most importantly, they're not made to stay on a shelf.

They're made for you, the magician, to take the fundamental elements of the Cups and Balls and to bring them to the world. The fundamentals being, Wonder, Surprise, and my favorite~ Joy.

Coming Soon!

Thanks for reading and I look forward to hearing your road stories.

Jamie D. Grant
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Well they certainly look pretty! I will have to dig out a few of the no-nesting routines I have in my library.

Good Work!

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These look good!

As much as we as magicians are obsessed with the look of Paul Fox, etc, I think these look more like a cup, which may mean less suspension. No matter how much people look at an empty, normal Paul Fox cup some of them still think the secret is with the cup. I'm not so sure cups today don't look normal enough, but I'm still gonna buy em, cause boy are they beautiful!

If we were smart we might use something like this more.

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Jamie, can you post a pic of the cups stacked/nested?

Cardamagically,
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Being able to stack the cups sure helps with transport.
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Not meant to stack? That could be problematic. The cups look very nice in the pix, so I look forward to the reviews!
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Nice post Jamie! I'm proud to be working with you on the JDG Fundamental Cups!

You CAN stack the cups for transport as they do fit into each other (like Jamie said above, "They're not made to stack, although they will...").
PLUS Jamie had the idea of including two swatches of fabric with the set so you can put a fabric swatch between the cups when you stack them for transport. This will help preserve the finish from friction between the cups.

The cups are simply not designed to be used for a routine that requires you to stack or nest the cups. Because Jamie never stacks the cups during the routine he performs, it makes sense. The center beads were unnecessary and Jamie was looking for a more innocent looking cup.

Think: The 3 Shell Game - you don't stack the shells.

There's a lot of possibilities here (imagine if you used green sponge balls with these cups...) - you just have to look for them,

Donnie
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Nice cups, they look like "found cups" or wheel cover.
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I have a set of these in the museum. They arrived yesterday, and I had a chance to play around with them.

1) You can stack them. You just have to be careful not to jam them together. You can still do a three ball display on top of a cup, but the balls must be the correct size, as in any cup.

2) You can do a cup through cup move with them, also.
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Bill, from whom did you get the cups? any webpage? phone number?

Thank you ...
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From RnT II.

Donnie will have them up shortly, I'm sure.
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Bill,

Tell 'em, it's good to be king!

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Thank you I missed the last name on Jamie's first post... I see it now
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On 2010-04-08 16:25, kentfgunn wrote:
Bill,

Tell 'em, it's good to be king!

KG


He asked me to evaluate the cups, applying Jamie's parameters to them. I just got a new digital parameter from Adorama, so I used that, instead.
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On 2010-04-08 14:15, Pete Biro wrote:
Take a look at my shell game version... TWEEZERS on http://www.petebiro.com


Very nice! The tweezers is (are?) a very nice touch.

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They look perfect for the Fred Kaps routine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JpFZbE-UhM
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Robert, I thought the same thing! (That's what I was thinking of when I suggested using sponge balls with these cups.)
Except for the start of the routine and one segment at about 4:50 in that video, Kaps never stacks the cups. A variation on the opening, and a slight variation on the handling of that one segment, and you could do the full routine with these cups.
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I just watched Fred Kaps routine, never saw it before, it is excellent the balls came and go magically maybe one of the most deceptives performance that I watched.
I enjoyed it every minute and it is a long routine.

Does Kaps teach this routine somewhere?

Thank you
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