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From my my poster the only person the person
on the far right resembles is Julius Sundman.

but I could be far far off.


I thought the first SAM/IBM convention was in 1950...

I'll have to look on my phone because I took pictures
from the Uncle Jay's scrap book from the auction
because my dad was one of the performers of that
year.
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On 2010-04-27 21:47, Marshall Thornside wrote:
From my my poster the only person the person
on the far right resembles is Julius Sundman.

but I could be far far off.


I thought the first SAM/IBM convention was in 1950...

I'll have to look on my phone because I took pictures
from the Uncle Jay's scrap book from the auction
because my dad was one of the performers of that
year.


It probably was 1950. I don't have any reference material anymore and have to rely on my memory. I think Buckley won the magic contest at the 47 convention if I recall. Because he's in the pic I was thinking it might be the combined.

I would like to know for sure if you can find out.
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If those badges are any indication, then it wasn't a combined convention. There is only one club logo on the badge. If it was a combined convention, there would be an IBM logo in one corner and an SAM logo in the opposite corner.
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On 2010-04-23 23:29, Pete Biro wrote:
Jeff Busby... for Ticking Off more magicians than anyone else in history.


Wouldn't that go to Valentino!? The masked magus( sorry I spelled that wrong mANUS)!
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You had to be there.
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On 2010-04-28 11:12, tabman wrote:
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On 2010-04-27 21:47, Marshall Thornside wrote:
From my my poster the only person the person
on the far right resembles is Julius Sundman.

but I could be far far off.


I thought the first SAM/IBM convention was in 1950...

I'll have to look on my phone because I took pictures
from the Uncle Jay's scrap book from the auction
because my dad was one of the performers of that
year.


It probably was 1950. I don't have any reference material anymore and have to rely on my memory. I think Buckley won the magic contest at the 47 convention if I recall. Because he's in the pic I was thinking it might be the combined.

I would like to know for sure if you can find out.


I'll try dad.

I'll say this, all through the time we were helping Sandy with his
book we received several photos. Jim Sommers said it best.

When people don't write names down and when it happened and you
don't see these people for years or they pass they look different
and you forget who they are.

Sometimes I think much of magic history belongs in I don't know land.
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On 2010-04-28 22:13, Marshall Thornside wrote:...I'll try dad...


Great, thanks.
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Is that last person on the right Geoffrey Buckingham?
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It sures doesn't look-like him to me.

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No, It definitely is not Geoffrey Buckingham.
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On 2010-05-02 00:00, Bill Palmer wrote:
No, It definitely is not Geoffrey Buckingham.


Maybe I'll post it at Genii again and see if anyone over there knows who the mystery man is.
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Tabman, dad said Edgar Bergman right away.
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Thank you for checking with your dad for me and it does look like EB somewhat. Please give him my thanks.

According to a message David Ben just left on the Genii Forum:

"David Ben replied to a Watched Topic at the site: http://www.geniimagazine.com/forums/ubbt......st220763

The guy on the far right is Dave Coleman."

Could you check and see if your dad knew Coleman??
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Did Hanussen ever associate with magicians?
Ive just finished reading Hanussen, Hitler's Jewish clairvoyant.
And as the book made clear,he was also likely to have been killed as lots of people owed him large sums of money.
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I would add a few:

Camille Gaultier: for manipulators. Author of "La prestidigitation sans appareils", translated by Jean Hugard as "Magic without apparatus"

Jeff Sheridan: for street magic

Dariel Fitzkee: for his view on the theory and working of misdirection.

Frank Garcia: for many sleights and routines in close up magic. And especially, from my point of view, for his books "The very best of cups & balls" and "The real secrets of the Three ball routines".

And one that we often forget, even though he might be responsible for the biggest magic we see almost every day: Georges Méliès : successor of Eugène Robert-Houdin as director of the Théatre Robert-Houdin (24 years), He brought illusionism to cinema by inventing movie special effects. The tricks he used (especially stop motion camera and masks) are at the root of most special effects we know today.
We say that the Lumière bothers invented the cinematograph,and Méliès invented cinema !
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Sadly, Dariel Fitzkee's book on the theory and working of misdirection is one of the least read publications in magic. Most of the noobs have never even heard of him. It's a pity, because his book lays an important part of the groundwork of this.
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You are absolutely right Mr. Palmer. The real innerworking of our art is in these books. My first year in prestidigitation, I was into tricks. Then I read "Magic by misdorection" and "The trick brain" and for me it changed everything (routines, topics, style, techniques, presentation, tools ...).
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Showmanship for Magicians is also very important. The examples are, of course, somewhat outdated; however, Fitzkee acknowledges this in the beginning of the book when he states that trends change and it is likely that, for example, Hawaiian music would not be as suitable a background for a magic act as something else that is more popular later.

At the time Fitzkee wrote the book, Hawaiian music was very popular over here. Nevertheless, there are still a lot of techniques in that book that will help in the performance of magic.

The Trick Brain, which was the book that most people read, was in my opinion, the least important book in the trilogy. Although the division of effects into their basic categories is necessary, his random trick generating system is not really as good a way to work out an act as one would think at first glance.

The main reason, to my way of thinking, is that it is very easy to generate a new trick with the Trick Brain system, but a major percentage of these tricks will not make much sense.

I've seen acts that were very definitely "Trick Brain" acts. One that I remember quite well was centered around phonograph records. There was a production of tiny phonograph records from the air, as in "the Miser's Dream." There was a zombie style floating 33 1/3 record, as well as several other really meaningless tricks.

Here's what I mean. "The Miser's Dream" has meaning. If we could pluck money out of the air, our financial troubles would be over. But what good are tiny phonograph records that you can't play on a phongraph? And they are very difficult to see in a big theatre.

A floating ball has spiritual significance. A floating vinyl disc????? I don't think so.

Amazingly, when the CD's took over from vinyl records, a fellow worked out a similar act that was much more appropriate and meaningful.

So, The Trick Brain can give you a start, but I don't think it's really up to the significance of the other two books.

I saw an act with cell phones once that looked like a good "Trick Brain" act.
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Your example of a "trick brain act" is accurate. I would say that plucking CDs from thin air isn't any better than vinyl disks. Hey, anyone can produce a lot of MP3s from downloads...;-)
Based on Fitzkee's approach, I would say that changing the object in a routine has to have a reason. For example, we see a lot of magician brigning a Kennedy half dollar and saying: "Here, I will show you a trick."
After Fitzkee, I discarded my half dollars and english pennies and started to use unusual coins (chinese coins with a hole, old counterfeit coins, etc...). Instead of anouncing a trick, I use the interest of the spectator for a strange coin and usually, they will lean over, take the coin and look closely at it. Then I can reach in my pocket and grab another coin. Sometimes, they are so concentrated on the first coin that I could produce an elephant if I had one in my pocket.
To me, "The trick brain" and "Magic by misdirection" works together.
Unfortunately, I don't have Ftizkee's "Showmanship for magicians". I read "Magic and Showmanship" by Henning Nelms instead (Nelms also should be considered on this list as influencial).
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