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I really enjoyed the video. Thanks for sharing. Burned me bad.

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Get the money? No, the diagonal palm shift is in the legerdemain section.
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That move starts out as similar to the the "Diagonal Pass" that is describe in The Annotated Erdnase by Darwin Ortiz on page 162, only in the video, MichaelSternMagic is inserting the card in the deck instead of getting the cards into position after a spectator peek, and he's only using a single card.

It's not really a pass, or course. A note on page 163 of the Annotated Erdnase states that this is identical to Dr. Daley's Side Steal that's in Expert Card Technique.

With the DPS, it is necessary to take the card away palmed.

I expect the Diagonal Pass doesn't have as good angles as the DPS because of the way the hands must separate for that move.

Ben Train wrote:
Finally, as far as finger flashing goes- there was a little, but I wonder how much an issue that is since the card doesn't end up in palm, and the hand is shown clean. There is finger motion (or at least motion) during a square, and since we aren't worried about heat on the left hand during the action... I dunno. But, Mike, working on the finger flaring (it wouldn't hurt).

It can be difficult to judge a move without the move being done in the context of a routine. Certainly, in this case the finger flashing doesn't provide any clue as to the method. There is no justification for it though. If the performer was fiddling with the cards, or there was some overt justification the movement might seem natural. Of course, the best solution is to eliminate any tell whenever possible.

Just doing something strange and then having the cards on top would hint that something untoward happened, and that does kill the magic.

All in all, Michael, you're doing quite well for such a relatively difficult move. I wish I had done it at all when I was your age!

Listen to Steven Youell, he knows what he's talking about. I listen to him. Keep working on it.

Ben Train wrote:
First, Erdnase says that the previous methods (to which I assume he means the Diagonal Pass from Sachs) are unsatisfactory because they are "seldom" employed and rarely mentioned. This is terrible justification for discarding a move- I think we can all agree to that. In fact, ironically, the same justification was used for not studying Erdnase itself at some point (no one was using it)!

Erdnase wrote, "that the process is not satisfactory is seen..."

Sach's Sleight of Hand books describes the "Diagonal Pass", not the DPS, but it's not the same "Diagonal Pass" mentioned in the Annotated Erdnase. The card(s) have an opposite diagonal jog, i.e. it's the same side of the deck, but the job in the front. Sach's recommends not using the move, because "too much of the cards to be passed is exposed" and because "... is likely to carry indifferent cards intervening between two of them." The latter issue wouldn't matter if only one card is stolen, but there are better ways to do it than that sleight.

LePaul has a different move where the card is jogged to the left that is good.

Apparently Sach's described the older sleight with the same name because it was in common use at the time. It does seem strange to have over a page of a book describing a move and then at the end the to have a recommendation not to use it!
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Looks GREAT!
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On 2010-04-21 13:41, Indigo wrote:
Get the money? No, the diagonal palm shift is in the legerdemain section.

Erdnase's philosophy to gambling permeates his work in the legerdemain and card trick sections later in the book. I was merely suggesting if take a 'common' hustler's mentality (or, rather, something often expressed AS a common mentality) and apply it to his comments then it would seem to be in conflict with what Erdnase tries to do later.

I wasn't suggesting the move as actually used TO get the money (in a gambling context).

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