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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts 
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Remember these lyrics?
God made the mountains God made the sky God made the people God knows why He fixed up the planet As best as He could Then in come the people And gum it up good Paint your wagon had a huge influence on me when I saw it in the theaters as a punk. I now live outside a gold town and about 45 minutes away from an area that looks just like where they filmed. |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts
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With all due respect Carrie you have selected the most hated company in the whole country to defend. It is a truly unenveiable task to try to make those pigs look like boy scouts.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts
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No Carrie I do not like being treated like an idiot by a company who, like most companies (and I do come from a big company background) is ran by people who got there by who they knew and less by what they knew. There are janitors and highway signmen who are just as intelligent as these people. They do not sale a product that is wanted, needed or desired, it is a product that is absolutely crucial and MUST be used to move virtually every person and product at some point in time.
I would appreciate if they just said it straight, tell everyone "we got you by the dodads and we are going to get everything we can out of you because we are public companies that our investors expect to make money from". Don't give me this "well, the price of oil futures went up a dollar so we are forced to raise the price per gallon $0.30 a gallon. We are not sticking it to you, we are just passing on cost we are forced to absorb" then two months later "We wish to announce our profits are up by $2 billion dollars! Unfortunately during this same period gas usage was down because people couldn't drive so we are forced to raise the price again! Not our fault!". Companies that are competing for market share are not the same as those that have a strangle hold on a people. Their tactics have caused prices to go up on everything. Their tactics have caused local and state govts to have to find money they don't have and must get from the people in order to pay for police, fire, maintanance, and other vehicles. They are sticking it to everyone and being dishonest while doing it and you, and other dolts, think that it is soda they are selling rather than a neccessary commodity and like all neccessary commodities it should be regulated to protect the people. In case you wonder I didn't click your link because I make up my own mind I am not lead around by the nose by anyone be they god or man. |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts
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Quote: Sorry to dog-pile on, but if I was drinking coffee right now, it would have been sprayed all over my monitor. BP has lied from day one about every single aspect of this spill. They won't let anybody test the flow rate so they can hide the volume of oil being vented so they can avoid as much of the per-barrel fine as possible. They're not letting the fishermen they hired to clean up wear protective gear because it would look bad. Somebody has gone around decapitating dead sea life to make it look like they weren't killed by oil. And they're hiring a group of Canadian mercenaries to keep people off of public beaches affected by the spill.
On 2010-06-19 19:41, Carrie Sue wrote: Do you really think that BP would spend a dime of their own money to clean up the mess unless someone made them do it?
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.
* = Take any advice from this person with a grain of salt. |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts
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On 2010-06-17 23:32, Carrie Sue wrote: Let's not forget our capacity for destruction, ignorance, arrogance, apathy, and idiocy, among others. We are of this earth, connected to it. Integrated into its very fabric. That's a GIFT. Way to look a gift horse in the mouth or kick him in the teeth, here, there and everywhere. Yikes. The earth and all its inhabitants are PRECIOUS, and interact in the Circle of Life. We're all much more closely related and interdependent than you seem willing to realize, Carrie. Quote:
And the ability to actually clean up our messes, which we have never stopped doing, by the way. Animals just leave theirs all over the place. Ain't another species among us I've seen make messes of a human caliber. Think about it, truly, the mess animals make, consider just how efficiently they live. How many of us manage that? And they're painted black. I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of ability to clean this one up, so far. If the ability's there, I'd like to know why it's not been utilized thus far. Animals do their best to clean up certain messes, they've got some ability there. Litter boxes, for one, come to mind. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts
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Canadian mercenairies? This is how a Canadian merc keeps order...."Please stay off the beach, if you must go onto the beach use these booties, thank you. S'il vous plaît le séjour de la plage, si vous devez aller sur la plage utilise ces butins, merci....eh"
I don't have real issues with drilling offshore but the fact they did so without being prepared for dealing with an accident at that depth is nonsense and IF they couldn't deal with it then they shouldn't have been allowed to drill. Of course they likely lied and claimed they had a plan in place. Redshirt is right, if BP could they not only wouldn't pay for anything they would still use it as an excuse to up gas prices. |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts
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You got something against Canadians, Santa?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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I don't know if we do clean it up, I thought we just shipped it into the ocean. One would think with The USA having 300,000.000 people that would cause a stink.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts
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Canadians are adorable! Like baby seals....
One thing to remember, humans are the only critters on the planet with the ability to conceive things that don't work out. The rest kind of wander around poopin' and breathing and eating until they die. But enough about Canadian mercs! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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On 2010-06-19 15:34, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Do you similarly try to understand the science on the other side?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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OH no Laurie, other species can devistate the planet as well. Without doubt.
BP needs to be dealt with. They lied, but then again it seems as if those who decry the lies of a corporation seem to expect them from our government. Those who complain about fossil fuels, stop using them. Do you have cars, coal fueled electricity to run that very computer you use to complain so much about? If so then it is what it is. Don't give me that crap Payne about humans being insects. It is the same propeganda that has gone on from the socialists for years. It is nonsense and you should be bright enough to know it. Actually you do I am sure but it fits in with your agenda. How about our President? Has he LIED during this spill? If so then why no outrage for him? Could he have waved the Jones Act and brought all hands on deck? If so then why is your liberal outrage not directed at him? I would be more convinced of the outrage, if it was properly directed at all players and not those you already hate. This way it just seems phony and agenda driven.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On 2010-06-20 00:46, MagicSanta wrote: That is shockingly accurate, Santa. Score. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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On 2010-06-20 09:37, Dannydoyle wrote: There's lots of liberal outrage against Obama, you're not reading enough. BTW why am I not seeing outrage from you against the Republicans and FoxNews commentators who are defending BP? But more importantly, what is your position on what needs to be done,--before the fact!-- so that something like this does not happen again?
Click here to get Gerald Deutsch's Perverse Magic: The First Sixteen Years
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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Can Jazzy Snazzy or someone with experience in the field say whether the following is plausible or just wild speculation:
http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/......toppable
Click here to get Gerald Deutsch's Perverse Magic: The First Sixteen Years
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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Anyone defending BP has not read the record they have. Interestingly enough they are very large Obama contributers.
As for what should be done before hand, why do we have to go that far out to get oil in the first place? Why not drill where it is safer? If this was a republican there would be way more outrage and much less understanding. Yes the liberals have been dragged kicking and screaming to a sort of fake outrage but it is nowhear near what it should be. All the drones said experience didn't matter. Turns out it does. This is not a problem that can be fixed with a speech.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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It is hard to get the straight facts about BP campaign contributions in America, except that they have spent a great deal.
According to this Capital News Company story, picked up by Reuters Obama is the single biggest recipient of BP contributions. The article cites the Center for Responsive Politics claiming the Obama campaign received some $77,051 from BP. Sourcewatch on the other hand, also quotes the Center for Responsive Politics, reporting BP's contributions by party: Quote:
The BP political action committee (PAC) gave $219,500 to federal candidates in the 05/06 election cycle - 34% to Democrats, 65% to Republicans. [13] A summary of the BP PAC data is below, from Open Secrets: All very interesting regardless. No doubt many politicians are pressured on both sides here. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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Actually BP has contributed more to Republicans than Dems, but again you're right Obama is an oil money recipient, as well as that guy who ran the country for the eight years before that, and the Republican(s) who wanted to take over that spot. Fairly misleading to leave that part out, as it gives the impression that Republicans would do a better job, when both parties are clearly wh***s to the oil industry.
From the sourcewatch link I posted before: The BP political action committee (PAC) gave $219,500 to federal candidates in the 05/06 election cycle - 34% to Democrats, 65% to Republicans. [13] A summary of the BP PAC data is below, from Open Secrets: 2010 Total Spent - $173,781 Contributions to Federal Candidates - $75,550 (42% to Democrats, 58% to Republicans) 2008 Total Spent - $619,255 Contributions to Federal Candidates - $198,500 (41% to Democrats, 59% to Republicans) 2006 Total Spent - $601,696 Contributions to Federal Candidates - $219,500 (34% to Democrats, 65% to Republicans) 2004 Total Spent - $678,337 Contributions to Federal Candidates - $220,499 (38% to Democrats, 62% to Republicans) So, I'm not clear on your position: is it that oil companies should not be allowed to drill as far offshore as BP did? Or is it your position that BP should be allowed to drill even closer to shore, knowing the fine safety precautions they are likely to take?
Click here to get Gerald Deutsch's Perverse Magic: The First Sixteen Years
All proceeds to Open Heart Magic charity. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts
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Ah John, you beat me to it!
Click here to get Gerald Deutsch's Perverse Magic: The First Sixteen Years
All proceeds to Open Heart Magic charity. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts
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So basically it takes more to bribe a republican since they are less criminal minded, interesting.
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