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I mean this in the most sincere way. I am not asking this question with satirical intent.

While I admit not all of these issues are directly related, they are sometimes related in political ideals, environmental views, etc.

This question is for all of the people who do not believe in global warming, the impact of man, and other issues that the left wing commonly pushes:

Do you feel that the oil spill in the gulf still shows that man should not rely on fossil fuels and invest in renewable energy? Do you think that cleaner energy is not worth the push even when an entire portion of the ocean is destroyed (which affects the economy)?

I've seen this story covered and some call it a disaster, others call it easily fixed. Just wondering the opinion of my fellow human being.
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I think the alleged oil slick is part of the vast socialist conspiracy to destroy our country and take away our rights. Our loyal, vigilant gun-owners will quit patrolling the beaches to clean up the oil, and next thing you know, troops from Birkina Faso or Lichtenstein will be landing disguised as cleanup crews and start marching through our towns and cities arresting anyone with a PETA bumpersticker!

That's right, I'm an oil slick denier!
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There is no oil slick. It is just a MSNBC, CNN plot to reduce the reputation, and profits of the major oil companies.

drill baby drill
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I don't believe that man is the primary catalyst in global warming, no. I believe that we have some effect, however. Either way, I do agree 100% with this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE6Kdo1AQmY

In short: Whether man is the primary cause of global warming or not, it can only be beneficial to find clean, renewable energy.
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Why drill for oil? If the Republicans weren't in the pocket of the major oil companies, by now we would all be driving wind-powered cars. In fact, some guy invented one, but an oil company (I forget which one) killed him and buried the patent. It was actually a wind/solar hybrid; days without wind are usually sunny, and the solar panels would then kick in. These cars can go up to 200 miles per hour safely, and they use no gas or oil. If we hire enough government workers, surely they will be able to reproduce this creation. We just need to raise taxes. Then we can do away with the corporations and create some jobs.
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Alternatively, I would say that clean, renewable energy is great; however, unless and until there is no need for the current brand, domestic sources are better than foreign dependence, particularly from hostile areas.
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It's an old song, but I have to wonder if simple restraint and conservation would not fix or at least go a long way towards addressing the U.S. energy problems. The DOE says that gasoline accounts for 45% of the oil used in the United States.
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It's an old song, but I have to wonder if simple restraint and conservation would not fix or at least go a long way towards addressing the U.S. energy problems. The DOE says that gasoline accounts for 45% of the oil used in the United States.


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On 2010-04-30 14:39, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Alternatively, I would say that clean, renewable energy is great; however, unless and until there is no need for the current brand, domestic sources are better than foreign dependence, particularly from hostile areas.

Not much really comes from hostile areas now, though, does it?

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petro......ort.html

Why do you say domestic is better than foreign? I think the best thing would be to diversify (for reasons of stability) by using a lot of both domestic and foreign oil. This would also allow the preservation of a larger domestic supply for use in times of emergencies.

I can see how one can argue that domestic oil might create more drilling jobs, but that may be a bit of a red herring. For instance, importing foreign heavy crude and refining it in the States might create more overall jobs than drilling for domestic light crude oil would.
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On 2010-04-30 14:46, balducci wrote:
It's an old song, but I have to wonder if simple restraint and conservation would not fix or at least go a long way towards addressing the U.S. energy problems. The DOE says that gasoline accounts for 45% of the oil used in the United States.


but if you force people to adhere to some government standards of consumption, then that's just like soviet russia!
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On 2010-04-30 14:46, balducci wrote:
It's an old song, but I have to wonder if simple restraint and conservation would not fix or at least go a long way towards addressing the U.S. energy problems. The DOE says that gasoline accounts for 45% of the oil used in the United States.


but if you force people to adhere to some government standards of consumption, then that's just like soviet russia!


Who said anything about force or the government? Individuals should step up, particularly those who are most concerned or complain the most about it.

That's not simply stone-throwing, btw; its the reasoning and belief system that led to my becoming a vegan in the face of one of my own pet issues (no pun intended), animal cruelty.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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This guy lives the way he wants others to I think.
http://www.edbegley.com/environment/

I do not agree with much of his concerns, but I can still admire the way in which he first lives the life, then he preaches. FAR too many people want to tell others how to live, without living that life themself. (I am being serious, not making fun of him by the way)

Two things in play really. How far do we go with what is 'reasonable' and how far do we go to enforce what is 'reasonable'. That I think is where most of the issues I have are.
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This guy lives the way he wants others to I think.
http://www.edbegley.com/environment/

I do not agree with much of his concerns, but I can still admire the way in which he first lives the life, then he preaches. FAR too many people want to tell others how to live, without living that life themself. (I am being serious, not making fun of him by the way)

Two things in play really. How far do we go with what is 'reasonable' and how far do we go to enforce what is 'reasonable'. That I think is where most of the issues I have are.


Begley is awesome...tremendous respect for the guy.

His dad was also good in 12 Angry Men.
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On 2010-04-30 14:46, balducci wrote:
It's an old song, but I have to wonder if simple restraint and conservation would not fix or at least go a long way towards addressing the U.S. energy problems. The DOE says that gasoline accounts for 45% of the oil used in the United States.


but if you force people to adhere to some government standards of consumption, then that's just like soviet russia!


Who said anything about force or the government? Individuals should step up, particularly those who are most concerned or complain the most about it.

That's not simply stone-throwing, btw; its the reasoning and belief system that led to my becoming a vegan in the face of one of my own pet issues (no pun intended), animal cruelty.


American consumers are far too brainwashed by advertising and media to step up to voluntarily curb their base desires. Even a shocker like 9/11 only served to cause them beg their politicians to take away their civil rights and further involve them in military adventures in foreign lands.

I have a suspicion that, left to their own devices we (not only Americans, btw) will, virus-like, consume everything and eventually kill the host.

I applaud your decision to go vegan. That's something I have not been able to do. I have however, made a commitment to eat foods lower on the food chain on a regular basis, and to insist on free-range and organic foods. It's much more expensive and time consuming (to research what's truly organic and what's merely "greenwashed") but it's worth it to me in terms of "quality of life" on both my end and on the livestock that is slaughtered for my benefit.

I don't think the rest of America is willing to do that in any meaningful way. I freely confess my deep felt cynicism.

That's just my opinion, though -opinion backed up by the continuing rise in the stock prices of entities such as Monsanto and McDonalds... not to mention BP and Shell Oil.
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On 2010-04-30 14:46, balducci wrote:
It's an old song, but I have to wonder if simple restraint and conservation would not fix or at least go a long way towards addressing the U.S. energy problems. The DOE says that gasoline accounts for 45% of the oil used in the United States.


but if you force people to adhere to some government standards of consumption, then that's just like soviet russia!


Who said anything about force or the government? Individuals should step up, particularly those who are most concerned or complain the most about it.

That's not simply stone-throwing, btw; its the reasoning and belief system that led to my becoming a vegan in the face of one of my own pet issues (no pun intended), animal cruelty.


American consumers are far too brainwashed by advertising and media to step up to voluntarily curb their base desires. Even a shocker like 9/11 only served to cause them beg their politicians to take away their civil rights and further involve them in military adventures in foreign lands.

I have a suspicion that, left to their own devices we (not only Americans, btw) will, virus-like, consume everything and eventually kill the host.

I applaud your decision to go vegan. That's something I have not been able to do. I have however, made a commitment to eat foods lower on the food chain on a regular basis, and to insist on free-range and organic foods. It's much more expensive and time consuming (to research what's truly organic and what's merely "greenwashed") but it's worth it to me in terms of "quality of life" on both my end and on the livestock that is slaughtered for my benefit.

I don't think the rest of America is willing to do that in any meaningful way. I freely confess my deep felt cynicism.

That's just my opinion, though -opinion backed up by the continuing rise in the stock prices of entities such as Monsanto and McDonalds... not to mention BP and Shell Oil.


Are you Canadian?
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Never mind...I (think I can) see from your post that you're in the USA also. When you say that Americans are too brainwashed to do something, I thought you might be from elsewhere, from your other post showing the steps you've taken re: energy consumption; clearly, you weren't brainwashed (at least not successfully). I think I have more faith in people's abilities than you, and less faith in their selflessness. People just don't want to be inconvenienced. So they'll buy their SUVs and drive them alone to work, and complain about drilling as if it's entirely incidental to any of their choices.
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On 2010-04-30 15:36, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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On 2010-04-30 15:13, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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On 2010-04-30 15:04, gaddy wrote:
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On 2010-04-30 14:46, balducci wrote:
It's an old song, but I have to wonder if simple restraint and conservation would not fix or at least go a long way towards addressing the U.S. energy problems. The DOE says that gasoline accounts for 45% of the oil used in the United States.


but if you force people to adhere to some government standards of consumption, then that's just like soviet russia!


Who said anything about force or the government? Individuals should step up, particularly those who are most concerned or complain the most about it.

That's not simply stone-throwing, btw; its the reasoning and belief system that led to my becoming a vegan in the face of one of my own pet issues (no pun intended), animal cruelty.


American consumers are far too brainwashed by advertising and media to step up to voluntarily curb their base desires. Even a shocker like 9/11 only served to cause them beg their politicians to take away their civil rights and further involve them in military adventures in foreign lands.

I have a suspicion that, left to their own devices we (not only Americans, btw) will, virus-like, consume everything and eventually kill the host.

I applaud your decision to go vegan. That's something I have not been able to do. I have however, made a commitment to eat foods lower on the food chain on a regular basis, and to insist on free-range and organic foods. It's much more expensive and time consuming (to research what's truly organic and what's merely "greenwashed") but it's worth it to me in terms of "quality of life" on both my end and on the livestock that is slaughtered for my benefit.

I don't think the rest of America is willing to do that in any meaningful way. I freely confess my deep felt cynicism.

That's just my opinion, though -opinion backed up by the continuing rise in the stock prices of entities such as Monsanto and McDonalds... not to mention BP and Shell Oil.


Are you Canadian?


LOL!

Only by ancestry and temperament. My "New World ancestor" moved to the Canadian territories in the 1600s, but the family migrated all over North America...

If they'd have me, I'd move back there in a New York minute! But I have very little to offer by way of skill-sets and they're rather picky about letting Americans take up residence there...

The short time I lived in Toronto was one of the happiest times of my life... Having a common French-Canadian surname made this... "easier" for a while, but life as an illegal immigrant is hard even under the best of circumstances.


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Jeeez, and of the three North American countries, we're the ones with the reputation of being hard on illegal immigrants!
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Jeeez, and of the three North American countries, we're the ones with the reputation of being hard on illegal immigrants!


Heh... I have no idea what would have happened if I was caught working in Canada illegally. I'm sure that whatever it would have been it wouldn't have been very pleasant.

I was never once asked to "show my papers, please...", and I only lived there for a year and a half or so. I guess I was lucky!
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There are no Global Warming Sceptics left. They have all been taken off to the camps.


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