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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
Any idea where I can find info on the Ramsey routine? Just snagged a set of Biro cups and am interested in what this looked like.
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Mad Jake Inner circle All the voices in my head helped me make 2200 Posts |
Ask Pete Biro, he did a re-issue of the routine.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
I think I still have some, will look around.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
There are several sources
Farelli, Victor: John Ramsay's Routine with the Cups & Balls. (1948) 103 pages: Well printed and illustrated with many photographs showing the hands of the master manipulator, John Ramsay, performing the various moves of the effect. The text, except for Ramsey's brief foreword, is by Victor Farelli. There are eight chapters on the routine itself and as well a chronological historyof the effect. Galloway, Andrew: The Ramsay Classics (1977) The Collected Works of John Ramsay includes John Ramsay's Routine with the Cups & Balls Galloway, Andrew: The Magic of John Ramsay Volume 1 DVD. Presented by Andrew Galloway. Included on this DVD is a wonderful lecture by Andrew on the art and science of misdirection. There is also some rare footage of John Ramsay himself. Routines on Vol.1 includes The Ramsay Cups and Balls & The real secrets of misdirection. Galloway, Andrew: The Ramsay Legend - The Magic of John Ramsay, Illustrated by Ralph O. Evans ©1969 Goodliffe Publications, Birmingham 21; 2nd printing 1975 by Magic Inc. p 44 Chapter Twelve: One Cup and Ball Routine. A routine for a single ungimmicked cup, two small black cork balls, one red cork ball, and a larger "climax" ball. Ramsay used a Indian Cups & Balls style cup, though this is not necessary. Good routine to learn if you're ever asked to do your "Chop cup" routine and are stuck without your Chop cup!
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
So I just got finished reading through John Ramsey's cups and balls routine (for the first time... many more reads will be needed). I just want to say, I am blown away! So many cups and balls routines adopt each others sleights, moves, even scripting. This was not the case at all! It was such an eye opener to read this text. I know that this routine has been around for a while and technically its "nothing new", but in the current world of cup and balls, it still reads as new, original, and amazing. It shocks me that so little has been adopted from this work. Such extensive thought was put into this. I'm sure the wiser of men on this forum are laughing and smiling at the young guy who read some old text, but I am sincerely amazed by this routine. I'm stunned and I love it!
Thanks to Pete Biro for helping this young idiot find this old miniature tome of great thinking. I sure do wish new artists put such thought into their work. -Lee |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Then you will enjoy the rest of his works as well. Those that have not studied Ramsay, and instead go for the penquin magic types and the kids in sunglasses as their teachers, are missing out on .... just about everything.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Lawrence O -- had you forgottn that I reprinted the Ramsay routine, thanks to Martin Breese?
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
Lawrence,
Let me start by saying thank you for the insight and wisdom that you put into this community. You gave an excellent list of books as resources for learning more about John Ramsey's work. However, it seems like these books are rather obscure and hard to obtain. Do you have any suggestions as to where I could find these books? -Lee |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
You can find them on ebay. Usually all but "The Ramsay Classics" can be had at a descent price.
The Ramsay Classics usually goes for $200 and up. Maybe more. I have a copy autographed and includes a letter to the purchaser and a couple of advertising pamphlets inside as well. I was just reading it the other day to bone up on his comedy "Trick with 4 Little Beans."
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Lee:
I thought you knew the Ramsey routine. 1) do the debt snowball, paying off all your credit cards first. 2) if your cars are too expensive, sell them off and buy cheaper ones. 3) increase your income. 4) pay off your student loans 5) cut up your credit cards Then call the show and yell "We're DEBT FREE." The Ramsay routine is a different matter.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
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On 2010-05-14 23:31, Frank Starsini wrote: There is one lot in Gabe Fajuri's auction sale of this week end with several Ramsay books including The Ramsay Classics which will probably go for less than this.
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
I looked and looked and couldn't find this lot. I'll keep looking
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
Pete,
is the book you provide the same text as Farelli, Victor: John Ramsay's Routine with the Cups & Balls. (1948) 103 pages? Or are they different texts? Just curious cause I may start looking for this book as well. -Lee |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Lee: Yassiree... same stuff.
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
Well that is a purchase I guess I don't need to make! I am assuming that the 103 pages is due to the size of the book then. That had me a bit confused.
-Lee |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
It has a lot of history and other material, but the routine is literally word-for-word.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
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On 2010-05-14 21:48, Pete Biro wrote: Sorry Pete, I just didn't know. We're all ignorant just on different things. I'll complete my bibliographic notes What was the date of the publication? I gather that the publisher was Martin Breeze. How many pages? Was it the only trick in the book? If not, at what page did the routine appear? I'm a big Ramsay fan and did travel all the way to Ayr as a pilgrimage and spent an entire afternoon with Andrew Galloway who was (as you know) his only pupil (and an almost religious one if I may add). John Ramsay however has an effect in his routine that seems to me to be really weak. At some point in the routine he "magically" passes one ball from one side pocket to the other. Not the most fascinating magical feat and there were other more magical ways to get to the same point. The rest of the routine is outstanding but that part... leaves some room open to creativity.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
It is not published by Martin Breese, but by me. When I designed a cup for the Ramsay routine, Mike Brazill made up a prototype and sent me to OK. Then, as you know, he went out of business. Some years later, Jake at RNT2 made up several sets and sent me one.
I thought it wise to include the routine with the cups, so I got permission from Breese (who owns the rights to the Farelli book) to reprint just the Ramsay routine, which I did. It was January 2008 and is 17 pages.
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
Pete... considering the design of the cup and the routine to accompany it. Why design the cup with a middle bead for stacking? Just curious as to the thought for it.
-Lee |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
I didn't want the stacking bead, but Brazill did, and I never really OK'd it, but then it does open up some other possible routines. I really wanted to just copy the ice cream cups in metal. Brazill, it turned out, just modified a set of forms to spin the samples on.
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