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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 11040 Posts 
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Anal retentin pass... with this pass your fingers and the coin go into the left hand,,, with mickeys suv only the coin is seen going into the hand no the fingers.
don't get me wrong your pass is excellent esp the one with the single finger very nice work vinny |
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polygonsmagic Veteran user 369 Posts
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I've never seen Mickey's pass, but how can the coin go into the other hand without the fingers placing it there?
In the real act, you take a coin and place it in the other hand, the fingers naturally have to follow. If your fingers stayed away from the hand as you placed the coin in that hand, it would look unnatural. I tried it. Don't get what you are saying. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9717 Posts
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Though I understand what you're saying here poly, I would still say, "Well, not necessarily"...Check Goshman as to his toss of a coin to the other hand. Gives a retention and most say they even see it go.
 In that, the fingers do not touch the other hand to make the vanish/pass happen. This "Intention of Reality (Al Schneider stuff)" is powerful. Like going from simple math to calculus or something like that.
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polygonsmagic Veteran user 369 Posts
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There are a lot of tosses, where the other hand acts as if it were accepting or "catching" a coin. These are very convincing. The retention is seen from the placing or tossing hand. But from my knowledge, the retention of vision that we speak of usually comes from actually seeing the coin in the hand that it was placed in.
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funsway Eternal Order old things in new ways - new things in old ways 10317 Posts
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From studying his moves I would offer that the coin is either dropped into the hand, or the fingers removed prior to the last flash of the coin. Read -- the coin is apparently dropped in the hand and the fingers appear to be away from the coin at the flash. I can do either one -- but not with the "no angles" stipulation, so I'll watch some more.
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polygonsmagic Veteran user 369 Posts
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Any guesses on how the "Anal Retentive Pass" is performed?
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JFact0r New user 66 Posts
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I have no idea how it's done, but it looks amazing... It almost makes me suspicious of something more than sleight of hand... especially that one fingered placement... wow! On a side note, if you watch any of Otis' other videos, you will notice that when he does a retention for those it's more of the normal retention... if my rov was as good as that first video I would be using it throughout all my routines... but hey that's just me
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MICKEY SILVER Elite user Boston, Ma. 442 Posts
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On 2010-05-07 11:12, polygonsmagic wrote: The Perfect Retention Pass does not involve any thumb movement ... In fact, the second the coin is laid in the hand, "[b]get that thumb away from the coin." Note: Spectators do not care about the move we do while placing the coin in the hand. It's what's going on a fraction of a second afterward. What do your hands look like? Note even more: What do "both hands" look like a fraction of a second after you open your hand and show the coin has vanished? MICKEY SILVER |
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jazzy snazzy Inner circle run off by a mob of Villagers wielding 2109 Posts
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Mickey, you are confirming my guess but shouldn't this be in Secret Sessions?
"The secret of life is to look good from a distance."
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polygonsmagic Veteran user 369 Posts
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Yes, there are many retention passes that don't require any movement of the thumb. In fact, the only vanish that does require movement of the thumb that I can think of is Ponta's, which I really like.
Get the thumb away from the coin? I don't get it. I have no idea what this means as I try my own pass. The thumb is where it should be...before and after. I think we'd like answers...not more questions. Seriously. No disrespect intended, but I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish here. |
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MICKEY SILVER Elite user Boston, Ma. 442 Posts
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Are you taking note?
How do both your hands look a fraction of a second after you place the coin into your hand? What does your spectator see? How do both your hands look in a fraction of a second after you open the hand to show the coin has vanished. What does your spectator see? One has to be honest with themself. Go to a mirror perform your retention of vision vanish and ask yourself is it perfect? If it's not perfect ask yourself is there such thing as a perfect retention vanish. Then ask yourself, does the perfect retention vanish exist? MICKEY SILVER |
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jazzy snazzy Inner circle run off by a mob of Villagers wielding 2109 Posts
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How do both your hands look a fraction of a second after you place the coin into your hand? What does your spectator see? Should be relaxed and natural. Quote:
How do both your hands look in a fraction of a second after you open the hand to show the coin has vanished. What does your spectator see? Should look exactly the same as above. Quote:
...ask yourself, does the perfect retention vanish exist? YES. It seems that only 3 elements are required; 1. relaxed position of both hands. 2. imperceptible movement of the hand making the steal. 3. Proper positioning of the hands so as to present the illusion of no possible hiding place. Preferably with all fingers and thumb showing.
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts
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On 2010-05-07 00:55, polygonsmagic wrote: If I'm wrong, my apologies, but looks suspiciously like a gimmick of some kind is involved. |
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jazzy snazzy Inner circle run off by a mob of Villagers wielding 2109 Posts
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Right., it's possible but I don't think so after comparing each take.
"The secret of life is to look good from a distance."
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MICKEY SILVER Elite user Boston, Ma. 442 Posts
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Why in the world would any one perform a retention vanish and keep from showing their hands empty... The Anal retention vanish would be perfect if he lifted his right hand up immediately after placing it in his left hand.
Also If his right hand looked empty a fraction of a second after his left hand opened showing the coin had vanished.. Note: Our spectators (meaning non magicians) only care about the inside of our hands..., not the back of our hands..., I believe most magicians know this. If not they should! MICKEY SILVER / "THE HANDS OF LAS VEGAS" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMvNFR1kXsQ |
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JFact0r New user 66 Posts
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I agree with Mickey here, even though the Anal Retention Vanish does look good in the "putting" part of the vanish, his hand looks extremely suspicious just frozen there palm-down after the put. It's like... why on earth would that hand be held like that if it was empty...?
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lorenwade Special user 869 Posts
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On 2010-05-07 15:17, MICKEY SILVER wrote: We could take that a step further and simply ask is there any perfect magic? What is the definition of perfect? Real magic? Obviously nothing is perfect, but is that not the goal of life? Striving to be perfect! Perfect is doing everything within our capability (which is more than you currently utilize) to be perfect. |
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PAUL K Special user Massachusetts 547 Posts
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On 2010-05-07 16:47, NicholasD wrote: It does look like there is a gimmick of some kind. |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 11040 Posts
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Glueeee
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John Born Veteran user 389 Posts
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The perfect retention vanish actually wouldn't look anything like the common "retention vanish". This is one of the most unnatural coin moves in sleight-of-hand.
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