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Hi, I am looking for a good gambling demonstration routine.

Any suggestions as to a place to start?

thanks
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This will depend on your skill level and what you mean by "start". If you are really at the "start" then I might suggest The Marlo Gardner Poker deal but I am not going to tell you where to find it (pssst... hey buddy.... shhhh! listen close.... get out now before they eat you alive! and don't tell 'em it was me that warned you) or you could try two very easy routines from Harry Lorrayne's magic book "This Guy and the Drinker" and "King of the Card Sharps". (psssst... are you freakin' nuts posting such an innocent question here!? Don't you know none of these guys are innocent. They are real low down cold blooded underworld hustlers who don't suffer magicians and newbies lightly... it wasn't me who told you though.)
Ahem, uh yeah so... That's more advice than you deserve... and make sure you do your homework next time and read every single post that was ever made in this forum (yeah right, there's torture) and go get yourself a "color monte" or "the cheating gambler" from your local magicshop.... right guys?

Sal Piacente's lecture note dvd's have a few nice routines on 'em.
Anything by Darwin Ortiz is gonna have some gambling routines in it.
Good luck.
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"Aunt Mary's Terrible Secret", brilliant.
"Angels May Shuffle but the Devil Still Deals", includes the title effect plus a great Marlo/Gardner deal.
A bunch of stuff from "The Card Magic of Nick Trost", sleight free and pretty heavy hitting.
A couple of routines from the Marlo "Spade" book, including the somewhat legendary Miracle Routine.

For DVD's, I rate "Fast Company" highly.

There's tons of "magic/gambling" routines around, and the above aren't totally free of the magic element.......but none of the routines on the list above is "magically lame".

There are lots of existing effects you can turn into gambling oriented routines, like the Ten Card Poker Deal, etc.
Mixing up some sleights, say like the Free Cut Principle with some of your own original assemblies might actually play the strongest of any of the off-the-shelf routines you could find........Ricky Jay gets great milage out of mixing his original works with existing sleights and routines to create totally new (and often copied) effects.

You may also want to post your question in the The Workers forum, where you'll also likely get far more answers.........although many of those answers may also be far more magical Smile
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Can't go past the Harry Lorayne Poker Deal.
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I second Silver on Fast Company. That DVD is gold. Dics 1 will get you grounded in the moves you need to know and Disc 2 shows some great routines.

It may be obvious but Triumph can be a great gambling routine.

Darwin Ortiz is classic and unbeatable but be aware some of his books are a bit advanced. "At the Card Table" for example requires you have a solid second deal for several of the routines of I am not mistaken.

There a DVD called "The Unreal Work" by Paul Wilson and Jason England which is now OOP. You may still find it on the secondary market. They demonstrate how to achieve gambling effects without knowing having to master "the Expert." I have only seen it partially and once but I remember enjoying what I saw.
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Oh I had another thought. The first gambling routine I learned was 3 Card Monte as presented by Eugene Burger. Its in his book The Presentation of Close up Magic. A really nice approach since it shows the skill of the performer, the deceptiveness the hustle while never putting the spectator in a position to guess the card and never making them look like a fool. That can have value dependent on your point of view.

For learning the Monte there are

School for Scoundrels
Sal's Street Monte DVD
and Daryl does the Full Monte

I learned the moves from all 3 DVDs

TThat still doesn't supplant fast Company as your best all around bet to get the moves you need and some routines that use them.

Cheers

PS Dowser, you have gotten really friendly lately... you feeling ok? ; )
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...lack of sleep, back to normal soon. Enjoy it while you can.
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On 2010-06-04 01:05, The Dowser wrote:
. They are real low down cold blooded underworld hustlers who don't suffer magicians and newbies lightly...




hahhahahahahaha and we all have active imaginations also. I often think I am in space, or in a novel.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!



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Thanks for the quick responses! (and for the warning)

As for my situation, I just opened an illusion show in a resort town last. Originally I was planning on doing a close up segment with a video projector (card changes to aces, and then a matrix) and was also going to do a jumbo 3 card monte' routine. I scrapped the close up aces and matrix at the last minute - I decided to not have an assistant use the camera hand held and opted for a mounted camera focused on a close up pad. I put in a small 3 card monte' and thus, had to remove the jumbo 3 card monte'.

The regular 3 card monte' is playing very well with the audiences but I would like to get the jumbo version back in. I may put the matrix in with out all of the card changes, but I also am looking for a good gambling demo. I think that that would go nicely with the show (and I'm promoting my home poker game to the audience, this may help get some from the audience over.... Smile )

My skill level is not "super expert finger flicker", but would be "pretty good card worker". When I find a routine or premise I would like to add to a show (close up show, or bigger show), I am usually able to get the "work" down. I am very motivated to bust my knuckles on something, when I see a clear spot for it in the show. (and yes, I will not add something into the show until it and I am ready)

Again, thanks for the reply's! I will check some of these out. But please keep any other thoughts coming.

Scott
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Hmmm...

I actually like the idea of doing "triumph", thank you ein_doppelganger
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Does Guy Hollingsworths book have a gambling demo in it.

I have the book, but it is tucked (read: lost) in storage. I seem to remember a gambling demo there, and thinking that was really cool.
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Personally, I find gambling oriented routines are usually only entertaining when they're presented by guys who have created a gambling persona to pull it all off, and keep their show primarily focused on gambling and hustling........or (God forbid!).....gambling exposes.
At the very least, I'd not attempt a gambling routine unless I was fully conversant in whatever gambling "game" I was presenting myself as an expert on.
In other words, don't do a BlackJack/Poker/Bridge presentation (like Marlo's routine) if you're not fully conversant in BlackJack, Poker, and Bridge.......and how one bets on them.

Magicians sticking a gambling routine in between doves and balloons probably won't get much positive attention.

For folks who present a persona of "magician" rather than "hustler", I believe there are far stronger card effects they could perform than those effects that are focused on gambling.

Having said all of that, something like "Aunt Mary's Terrible Secret", if used by a magician as a closer, said magician having taken a beat and a breath between his last magic trick and the beginning of AMTS could probably pull it off to great effect.
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++ Fast Company! I also have Jim Swain's set and have garnered so good ideas from it as well!

Rather than an attempt to expound on SK's thinking I'll simply say that the below quote is spot on IMO!!!

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On 2010-06-04 12:05, silverking wrote:
Personally, I find gambling oriented routines are usually only entertaining when they're presented by guys who have created a gambling persona to pull it all off, and keep their show primarily focused on gambling and hustling........or (God forbid!).....gambling exposes.
At the very least, I'd not attempt a gambling routine unless I was fully conversant in whatever gambling "game" I was presenting myself as an expert on.
In other words, don't do a BlackJack/Poker/Bridge presentation (like Marlo's routine) if you're not fully conversant in BlackJack, Poker, and Bridge.......and how one bets on them.

Magicians sticking a gambling routine in between doves and balloons probably won't get much positive attention.

For folks who present a persona of "magician" rather than "hustler", I believe there are far stronger card effects they could perform than those effects that are focused on gambling.

Having said all of that, something like "Aunt Mary's Terrible Secret", if used by a magician as a closer, said magician having taken a beat and a breath between his last magic trick and the beginning of AMTS could probably pull it off to great effect.
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I don't think I have a "gambling persona", but when I do some of my gambling things, it seems that an "aura" is automatic. And I get standing ovations with them. Up to the presentation as usual, in my opinion. So, sorry, can't really agree with silverking. HL.
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Harry, you may not have a gambling persona.......but you are Harry Lorayne!

There's a difference IMO!
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My set....
Fast and Loose
Powerball 60
A gaffed 3-card monte
Anything using a simple force matched to a card you have chosen to demonstrate "luck" vs. coincidence
The "freebie" trick from the back of Barnowski's "Kingdom of the Red" demonstrating HOW to get people convinced "Lady Luck" is with them.
Any number of Paul Gordon tricks, (such as "Knock 'Em Dead" - presented as an extension of poker-face/ability to lie).
Use any Oil and Water to demonstrate card controls used by gamblers. Dr. Daley's Last trick is a nice way to demo this principle too.
Columbini's 10-card Poker Deal
Many coin routines using Poker Chips (such as a simple Spellbound routine)
David Stone's "Hierling"
One option is to think about how to portray routines AS gambling routines, not look for gambling demos per se. I am working on Roth's Coins Across as "Cons across" (pun intended) to show how money quickly moves from you to a good conman - part played by the spectator.
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Glad to see you dawdling over here Harry...
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"Dawdling"?
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dawdling


Never heard that. Good word, actually.
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Guys, I do my best to use the best English I can Smile.
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