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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12722 Posts 
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Ustaad
I'm in for half the refund if he doesn't like it. Since it's a PDF I'll pay shipping too!!! j
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caigy Inner circle England 1186 Posts
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Downloaded this earlier today...how?..what the!!?...
I have done the routine six times now, with 100% success each time, read and completely understand the explanation but am still totally baffled as to why it works??? Ustaad and John, there is absolutely no chance of either of you getting your refund service off the ground!! 
Although this is probably the best download I have ever purchased, I am really tempted to order the 'Book Edition' as well. Fantastic routine. Paul Mc.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts
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On 2010-06-11 19:05, caigy wrote: Paul, Your post has REALLY made me smile!! And it is not even my effect!! And Ustaad and John, Paul is right, you won't have to worry about refunds. I just did this effect again tonight, and, like Paul, even though I know the method, I was as mystified as my audience! I LOVE the way the suspense and the sheer impossibility builds in this beauty!! Even people who claim to hate card magic LOVE seeing this effect. Martin, I fear good sir, that if you keep releasing effects like this, you are going to have to curtail your career as a pilot, which is a GOOD thing because we get more effects like Up The Ante! Ahimsa, Vlad |
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4167 Posts
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For those who are reading it I want to state very clearly that the review Paul A. Lelekis gave UTA in the Linking Ring June 2010 ("neutral") was IMHO very disappointing. The review, not UTA! Again, for fun I've performed UTA also several times as an encore after finishing my lectures in Germany and Austria without explaining it. Of course it's a matter of presentation but let me tell you that the reactions were unbelievable. Jan
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts
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On 2010-06-12 04:25, JanForster wrote: Wow, did he actually take the time to even READ the whole e-book/book??? How can he POSSIBLY say that Martyn is not so familiar with the method?? I may get flamed for this one, but, that HAS to be the worst review I have ever read! NOT because I disagree with him, but, he provides only conjecture. I am not asking that Paul Lelekis provide a Jamy Ian Swiss multi-page review, but, THAT is not a review, it is an IMPRESSION. In contrast, I read the very well written review of Anthony Jaquin's Manchurian Approach. THAT was a review! Well, in this thread are performers who DO the effect for a wide variety of audiences and it works - VERY well. Paul Lelekis should actually TRY the effect. Neutral??? Sorry for the rant, but "neutral" is a cop out. Be straight and say whether you LIKE it or NOT and WHY. Conjecture serves nobody and does a disservice to the creator and the prospective buyer. Lelekis also misses the point entirely when he states that people into Texas Hold 'Em would probably like this effect. It has nothing to do with ANY type of poker. It is a series of escalating bets that playfully challenge the spectator. He states that it doesn't break any new ground. But, the "review" tells me at least that he scanned the manuscript, did his duty for the Linking Ring and that was it. If he DID perform it, I would LOVE to see HIS presentation. Perhaps the effect didn't "fit" him and his audience didn't receive it well. Do these guys get paid to do these reviews? Again, I have no qualms with disagreeing with a reviewer, but, I DO think a reviewer for a MAJOR journal has a responsibility to be a bit more substantive. C'est la guerre. Vlad PS: I have seen MUCH MUCH MUCH better written reviews on the Café, and those reviewers do it out of love of the art. Look at the storm that brewed over Silent Running. Many love it, many hate it, some are lukewarm. But in EVERY case, all have provided rationale, substantive food for thought. |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6025 Posts
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On 2010-06-12 16:52, Vlad_77 wrote: Vlad_77, I fully agree with you. The review on Up The Ante by Paul Lelekis looks like he hurriedly wrote the review just for the sake of writing something so as to fulfill one of his duties. He certainly doesn’t know what he is talking about. This is NOT a review but an IMPRESSION without rationale. That’s it! 
P.S. I have never bothered to read any of Paul Lelekis’ reviews. I read this one out of sheer curiosity since it was pointed out.
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
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captainsmiffy Special user UK, resident UAE 589 Posts
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Chaps, Am in China right now with limited access to the internet and I am not a member of the linking ring. Can somebody please send me a copy of the linking rings review of Up The Ante to peruse?
Surely, also, it would be morally right and ethical to inform somebody, at the very least, that you are about to review their work? Perhaps even ask their permission? Maybe open to debate but I, for one, as the author of this work was unaware that a review had even been conducted! I think that this is reprehensible! I certainly don't like the idea of somebody potentially 'throwing stones' at my work behind my back! Thanks for the words of support again gents - I hope that not too much damage has been caused by Mr Lelekis. Best Martyn PS The hotel bar in Beijing was agog at Up The Ante last night! Maybe the patrons hadn't read their copy of the linking ring yet.....!!!
Have you tried 'Up The Ante' yet?? The ultimate gambling demo....a self-working wonder! See the reviews here on the cafe.
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captainsmiffy Special user UK, resident UAE 589 Posts
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Chaps, Am in China right now with limited access to the internet and I am not a member of the linking ring. Can somebody please send me a copy of the linking rings review of Up The Ante to peruse?
Surely, also, it would be morally right and ethical to inform somebody, at the very least, that you are about to review their work? Perhaps even ask their permission? Maybe open to debate but I, for one, as the author of this work was unaware that a review had even been conducted! I think that this is reprehensible! I certainly don't like the idea of somebody potentially 'throwing stones' at my work behind my back! Thanks for the words of support again gents - I hope that not too much damage has been caused by Mr Lelekis. Best Martyn PS The hotel bar in Beijing was agog at Up The Ante last night! Maybe the patrons hadn't read their copy of the linking ring yet.....!!!
Have you tried 'Up The Ante' yet?? The ultimate gambling demo....a self-working wonder! See the reviews here on the cafe.
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4167 Posts
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Vlad and Ustaad, thank you for your support! Martyn, please pm a postal address or a fax number and I will send it to you immediately. Jan
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caigy Inner circle England 1186 Posts
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Martyn,
I doubt that Dominic, Ben Williams and the team at Magic Shop would put their name to 'Up The Ante' unless it was the top-notch routine it actually is. Paul Lelekis is entitled to his opinion but I personally have more faith in proper informed reviews from people such as recognised card worker and magic creator Gary Jones, along with the real, everyday workers and enthusiasts, who post their contributions here on the Café.....I possibly wouldn't have discovered the beauty of 'Up The Ante' as quickly without them. Keep em coming! Paul Mc.
Exclusive Worldwide Producer and Supplier of the Grismer Lock.
Top Class, Individually Crafted Performance Pieces, For The Discerning Psychological Entertainer www.psychicmentality.com https://virya-uk.com/ |
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4167 Posts
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Paul, you hit the nail. Without going into details I've to say that in the "Linking Ring" I've read also very good reviews about things which are crap. Jan
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captainsmiffy Special user UK, resident UAE 589 Posts
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, guys! I have read the review, now, and it seems clear to me that he definitely has NOT read the manuscript or he did whilst under the influence of something! He makes a couple of factually incorrect statements which tells me that, if he has read it then he did so in a very cavalier fashion and has grasped the wrong end of the stick, so to speak. I was very 'miffed' to find that he states that I did not really understand the attendant principles like I should do and that this is not ground-breaking - personally I felt that this routine pushed the workings further than other, similar-working effects with the 'workings' occurring simultaneously on three different levels. Could he name other effects that boast the same?
On a personal note, the biggest let-down, though, was in Mr Lelekis NOT doing me the courtesy of telling me that a review of my work was underway. Although I do not expect to influence the outcome of a review I DO expect to know that a review is under way so that I might discuss any possible issues that the reviewer might have with the effect. To date, as far as I am aware, Me Lelekis has been the only reviewer discourteous enough to not mention anything to me. Many thanks for the offer of a copy of the review, Jan, but I have already received it now. Sorry, chaps, if I sound bitter but a lot of hard work can be undone with a few foolish strokes of a pen these days...
Have you tried 'Up The Ante' yet?? The ultimate gambling demo....a self-working wonder! See the reviews here on the cafe.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts
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Martyn,
You need to understand that Up The Ante is bringing AMAZEMENT to our audiences! I know you are feeling bitter, but, not only the guys here, but our audiences would tell you how fun this is and how blown away they are. Okay, you and I are Beatles fans. Remember that Decca records turned them down, every record publisher in the UK turned them down. Epstein hit gold at EMI, but remember that the division of EMI that took them on was really a small part of EMI. Sir George Martin heard something special and the rest is history. The Beatles are the most influential act in all of show business and yet there are those who do not like them. But, HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of people have been touched deeply and profoundly by their music, and many of us ARE musicians BECAUSE of The Beatles. I am too young to have grown up with them. They were already legends when I "discovered" them. And you know what is so cool? As much as I wish I could meet McCartney and thank him, I have younger guys telling ME I am the reason they are musicians. Now, somewhere, and it may have happened already, somebody saw one of us do your effect, and perhaps in Germany or India or The UK or the US, somebody is perhaps thinking of joining in the madness that is this art we love so well! And YOUR work will be the reason! But again, look at the people here who are thrilled with this effect mate!!! Like all good magic, this effect has allowed our audiences, even for a brief time, to forget all the trials and travails and to believe for a moment that the impossible is POSSIBLE. So, we raise a pint to you! Namaste, Vlad |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6025 Posts
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On 2010-06-14 06:38, Vlad_77 wrote: Cheers! 
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
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captainsmiffy Special user UK, resident UAE 589 Posts
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Vlad, you are so right...got to remember your words; very inspiring indeed.
It is not a bad review that upset me though; it is the blatant untruths inherent in it. Clearly the fellow cannot have read nor understood what UTA is about. There was me thinking that I had advanced the 'workings' and there is he stating that I do not understand the principles involved!! Thankyou once again, Vlad, for all of your help. You have been a rock! Best Martyn
Have you tried 'Up The Ante' yet?? The ultimate gambling demo....a self-working wonder! See the reviews here on the cafe.
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gjmagic Special user UK 973 Posts
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Remember, reviews are only the opinions of the reviewer!! I've had a couple of 'not so good' reviews of effects which have taken me all around the world! One reviewer said that one of my routines needed too much audience management, what he really meant was, he didn't have the nerve to do it so it was a rubbish effect in his eyes lol!
Martyn, do you have any other releases coming out soon? Gary Jones.
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Caliban Special user 727 Posts
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I've not seen Martyn's manuscript, but the effect, as Vlad describes it, is identical to a routine called Probablility Pack in Bob Neale's Life Death & Other Card Tricks.
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captainsmiffy Special user UK, resident UAE 589 Posts
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Caliban, Would you mind sending me a proper description of the effect that you mentioned please? I have not heard of, nor seen, this - I could then comment as to whether or not these are similar.
Regards Martyn
Have you tried 'Up The Ante' yet?? The ultimate gambling demo....a self-working wonder! See the reviews here on the cafe.
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captainsmiffy Special user UK, resident UAE 589 Posts
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Hi Gary, How are you? Have been working on another collaborative effect for sometime but it is not ready yet. Needs 'tweaking' when I have the time, I think!
A bad review, I could deal with, part and parcel of the creative process - but one where the author hasn't done his work properly, that is not on! Oh well, onwards and upwards...!!! (literally, in my case!) Cheers Martyn
Have you tried 'Up The Ante' yet?? The ultimate gambling demo....a self-working wonder! See the reviews here on the cafe.
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6025 Posts
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On 2010-06-15 06:38, Caliban wrote: I have read the 'Probability Pack' effect/ routine. The Probability Pack might sound identical but the performance and handling of the UTA routine is totally different, including the method of performance. Once the deck has been shuffled by the performer and is placed on the table and passed on to the spectator(s), thereafter the effect is totally hands-off and the performer never ever touches the deck. The complete routine is then performed by the spectator(s) including cutting/ riffle shuffling the deck; and that includes a sloppiest riffle shuffle a spectator can do. This is time when the effect/ routine gain its strength and total impossibility creeps in to the routine. And that makes Up The Ante a totally different, mindboggling and impossible effect/ routine.
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