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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
I'm very curious...how many true stage hypnotists do we have here that watch, visit or participate in this forum? Not magicians that try to include hypnosis into their magic show, or are just curious or intrigued about hypnosis, but real working stage hypnotists? I check it here almost every day and am becoming frustrated as this part of the Café seems to have lost it's luster and participation from these true performers. At one time it seem to have many more experienced, working stage hypnosis performers, that most of them we haven't heard from in months or years. Their participation and wisdom is missed.
It's becoming so frustrating as it seems the recent pattern here is only newbies or the curious posting questions about how to start, where to go, what dvd to buy, how does it work, how much do they make, how can I learn to do a rapid or instant induction, why doesn't it work when I try it on my friends or relatives, or I think it kinda worked???, etc, and then the real hypnotists here seem to reply with the same answers over and over again, plugging Nongrad's, Anthony's, Cerbone's or maybe occasionally Ronning's materials, complain (including myself) that they should truly get the proper education and training, and that seems to be about the extent of it. The true stage hypnotists that do seem to pop up here seem to only use it when it's convenient to push their products or new releases. What's happened to Lee Darrow, Danny Doyle (he's still around occasionally), Marc Savard, Stokes, and the host of others that used to fuel this forum? Is it that we have lost interest due to the amount of newbies, enthusists, and armchair magicians or wanna-be hypnotsists? Is it because nobody seems to respect their true insights and are only looking for the quick-fix, expedited way into stage hypnosis? Is there becoming a fallout in the world of stage hypnosis as there was in the world of standup comedy at the end of the '80's and early '90's. Are they all hanging out at other stage hypnosis forums? I hope that some of the pros get wind of this post and will respond with their opinions and perceptions. I also hope that non-working pro's can be respectful enough of this not to be offended but open minded and willing to learn from these people and their responses, rather than chiming in and hijacking the thread, trying to put themselves on the level of those I'd really like to hear from. I'm very curious to the responses from these true working pros? |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I am a working pro, but I have been working on a novel for the past ten weeks, so have not visited here. From what I see there are always a few wise heads around here (even if I don't always agree with them, I always learn from them).
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Send me a pm if you have a question. Too many experts here for me.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
I'm a working pro mentalist but NOT a working pro stage hypnotist. However I've done quite a few hypnosis shows. But mine are more like gatherings. I have NEVER done an actual STAGE hypnosis show. Most 'stage hypnotists' haven't either. They're mainly in pubs.
Anyway I do have to agree with all of your above post Mindpro. For what it's worth, what I do do is I go and study other hypnotists, normally at least two new ones per year. I enjoy it immensely as you get to meet other similar geeks who talk your language.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2010-06-14 18:33, bobser wrote: Umm I should clarify I guess. I have done and do only stage hypnosis shows. I worked in comedy clubs for a long time but now it is stages. It does seem as if interest in the stage hypnosis arena has dwindled and been replaced with the curious desire to hypnotise random strangers on the street. Never been a passion of mine in the least. So I have no need to discuss it. Also when people ask questions and the answer comes, "I have never done it myself but I think..." I tend to avoid the thread as well. As I said anyone wants to ask anything can simply send me a PM or what not. Heck I have sent coppies of my show to some who want them. I just have lost the will to debate with those who have never done.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Do a search. EVERYTHING has been covered. that's why its dwindled nothing left much to say. Really just about every question you could ask is within the search engines.
The fun has gone out of the debates. The novelty has worn off. Hypnotising random strangers in the street is a weird and unhealthy phenomena. But where theres money you will find those willing to punt it with dodgy products. Yes Bobser is a well known stalker of hypotists. Don't encourage him or he will camp outside your house with binoculars. |
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Shane Masters Regular user Columbus, OH 157 Posts |
I am converting more to stage hypnotism lately. I never dug the street stuff myself either. I usually get hired out by word of mouth to do events ( graduations, birthdays, private parties, etc. ). However, I am really tired of my day job. I am realizing that this tool could be my way out of the 9 to 5....maybe I would only have to go 9 to 1. I just made 6 bookings with a private club to do shows from July until August. We got one or two more details to iron out, but, its a go.
I will be using that video footage to make a proper website and my promo packs. The only thing I am struggling with now is this: I didn't mind steali.....ummm....borrowing skits from other people for these smaller shows ( average of 30-60 people ). These people have never seen a show and wouldn't have cared who did it first. However, as I am slowly coming up to make that big leap, I find it irritating that everytime I think I come up with a unique skit, someone else has already done it. I have had brain block over this for the last few weeks. I do not want to come off as a rip off artist, but, with so many good people out there doing this, it is tough to be original. I had a Voodoo doll skit.... Nongard and Cerbone already did it. Here is the kicker...they used the exact same song I was thinking of.... they must have used their powers of mentalism to beat me to the punch. Curses!! I had an adult spelling bee where no matter what word I say, they spell something dirty...... J Medicine Hat has done it. In fact , this guy steals all my ideas before I come up with them..... just kidding J..... you are one of the guys I look up to the most. Genie in a bottle..... Anthony Jacquin does it. I know I got off track here. Just trying to avoid a brain meltdown to come up with something original. -Shane
The Cerebral Assassin
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RSD Special user Toronto, Ontario 534 Posts |
Im a working stage hypnotist with about 500 shows under my belt.
I agree with MP here. The questions have all been asked before, and we are all sick of the same "beginners questions" that have been posted a million times here. I would love to debate/discuss, and perhaps even educate others, if questions and topics that brought up are fresh. |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
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On 2010-06-15 23:28, Shane Masters wrote: Hi Shane, when my creative partner and I write routines for stage we normally start with themes and/or phenomena being the inspiration. For example how can we do a Drug of Choice routine or a money routine or an amnesia routine. The aim is to avoid every well worn roll out of such things and know that we can stand back and have put our own stamp on it. Alternatively we will take something current that we want to use as a vehicle- like a reality TV show - and work backwards. We will often use the characters or crunch points of these shows to get the ball rolling. Then we simply have a go at finding phases for that - normally three. Many people have done voodoo routines, that does not prevent you from doing one better or with an original twist. For example think of Derrens Voodoo doll routine and contrast that with Peter Powers doing the same thing with 50 ft of rope and a blow up doll. There are plenty of places in between and beyond these two presentations. By all means work the Genie Anthony
Anthony Jacquin
Reality is Plastic! The Art of Impromptu Hypnosis Updated for 2016 Now on Kindle and Audible! |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
There is nothing original. I wouldn't worry too much. Same with mentalists they all do similar things but believe they are original. They aren't you've seen one you've seen most..
I was doing the voodoo skits more than 15 years ago and others did it before me. The key to a great show is finding the right volunteers who react the most and put them in incredibly silly situations and "prompt" them to explode. Managing the trance state and getting the best out of volunteers is what will set you apart. That takes a while to learn and probably is where some talent is involved. As Ant says use current tv progs in the media etc. But even then you will find that someone is probably already doing it. Really the audience don't care its getting the maximum response from the volunteers you need to master. Bad hypnotists think its about them and telling the volunteers to do something silly. Its not its about setting things up and allowing them to develop and promting when needed. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Its also a timing thing. If your venue has had three hypnotist before you then you might struggle. Hypnosis works in cycles of popularity. Obviously the best place to be is in at the start of a cycle. Or in the right venues is more than half the battle.
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RobertTemple Regular user Newcastle, UK 174 Posts |
I'm another pro stage hypnotist. I'm in the UK and, although my background was as a magician, I've been full time stage hypnotist since I was 16 (almost 7 years). I've performed the show in 7 countries now.
This is me: http://www.ComedyHypnosis.co.uk/trailer.swf. Cheers, - RT |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I have a concern here. Does stealing for 50 people make it right and for 51 make it wrong? I am just curious the distinction is all.
As for being original goes, well new is tough. I think that your own version of an old bit is the mark to shoot for. The bit itself may be old, but the way it is done can be fresh. Nothing wrong with that.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
The way you put it together with twists and also the marketing. But there is nothing wrong with starting out with classic routines. You have to make a start. Which you can then deviate from with your own ideas.
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Shane Masters Regular user Columbus, OH 157 Posts |
I know I am a newb here, but, I must say that I really like this forum. A lot of good knowledgeable people and there is response from the people I follow and have used their methods ( Ant, Nongard, etc. )
Danny, I am not the one to judge what is acceptable. I was originally a guitar player. I used to follow Eddie Van Halen's philosophy... " A good guitarist writes.... a great guitarist steals ". I am not justifying whether or not it is okay to use something you have seen somewhere else, but, I have seen so many shows and just when I think I have seen something new/original, I notice that someone else has already done/doing it. I think MP and Ant have it right on. There isn't much , if anything, that is truly original, but, you can put your own mark on it. I loved your tie-bandaid-argument skit on your site by the way. I thought about changing it to bras and condoms..... dunno if anyone wants to see a guy fight to put 20 condoms on though. Ant, I have your Manchurian Approach DVD set. It rates high on the "must haves". I ,like you, on the 2nd DVD, completely lost it when your host started flicking left and right and looked like a pendulum and he just didn't stop. Even after you stopped him with your hand. Since I have your blessing, I think I will work the Genie.... in fact, I just emptied a bottle of Scotch. Think that is my new genie bottle. I personally have been known to see cool things after a good bottle. In my short time here, I have realized that the long timers are talking about the staleness. I ask you not to get too discouraged as your input is invaluable. I am guessing I have hypnotized around 300-350 people in the few years I have done this. Not much compared to many of you. I still find you guys throwing things at me that are helpful. Imagine how a new guy feels when he he gets information from people on a chat forum that are on the DVD's he buys or they wrote the book he read. -Shane
The Cerebral Assassin
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
The end of that show is a good example. Nothing new, just my reasons to bring them to the stage multiple times. Has been done before.
Same with the Godzilla bit. That is simply the Martian translator, nothing more. I happen to like Godzilla so I do that. It was all taught to me and I simply put my imprint on it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2010-06-16 20:36, Shane Masters wrote: I too am a musician and have noticed how for many years now there are lots of young musicians who 'poo poo' those who do covers. They claim they only do 'their own stuff'. That'd be fine except that most of 'em are absoulutely ****e. Most of 'their own stuff' consists of hitting three chords very very hard. Yet, back to the topic; This year at The Edinburgh Fringe there will be a couple guys I know who will be doing hypnosis in a way it's never been done before. It's only been 6 months since they hypnotised their first person but since then they've been writing and enacting new stuff for hypnosis. So... whilst there's nothing wrong with the old stuff or even putting a new twist on it, there ARE guys out there doing new stuff that quite frankly most hypnotists could not even think of. I guess what I'm saying is that if you're gonna' do NEW hypnosis skits then make sure those skits have more than just three chords.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
How Many True Stage Hypnotists Do We Have Here?
235.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I guess your talking about Stuart and Barry? I like most things they do. Very clever creative guys.
The other thing of course is give your market what it wants. You still can't beat a full on large crowd theatrical stage hypnosis show when its good. But like everything it gets stale eventually. I wouldn't say Stuart and Barry are really hypnotists... They are Stuart and Barry using hypnosis from what I can gather? Either way I am sure they will be well worth seeing. But new doesn't always man better. And even then it won't be completely new. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Playing covers is not theft. Theft would be more doing the covers and claiming to have written them.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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