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Gambit Ice New user United States 32 Posts |
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Luke Clough New user 18 Posts |
I think it looks very nice, kind of a riffle pass though isn't it?
Can I ask where you learnt it from, and how long it took you? |
rawdawg Special user Southern California 686 Posts |
Are you using the first riffle through the deck to condition the onlooker to the second riffle where the pass occurs? Because, the left thumb changes position between the two and I think it might be more effective if the picture didn't change so much.
One time, when I was young, I botched a sleight so bad, Vernon, Marlo & Miller rolled over in their graves. But I didn't see Elmsley, probably because he was behind the others.
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vpatanio Special user 515 Posts |
It looks a lot like Chad Nelson's handling for the riffle pass.
-Vinny |
splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
Something I've been thinking about and working on for myself, straight out of Erdnase:
"we believe the blind is much more perfect if there is not the least change in the attitude of the right fingers during or immediately after the shift." Check out your right middle finger. It really pops out unnaturally during the shift (to me). |
oOMagiiCOo New user 74 Posts |
Nicely done. Can I ask where you learnt it?
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WazMeister Loyal user 233 Posts |
Looks like Paul Harris move, bloody brillanit.
Makes me feel depressed seeing people this good, brings me back to earth at how ****e I really am |
Gambit Ice New user United States 32 Posts |
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On 2010-06-15 11:13, splice wrote: Wow I never noticed that about my middle finger until now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! |
Futureal Inner circle 1695 Posts |
... a move is a move is a move ...
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
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On 2010-06-15 16:28, WazMeister wrote: Don't get depressed amigo, use it as inspiration and get to practicing! MMc |
Luke Clough New user 18 Posts |
Sooooooo.... where did you learn it from, and ho long did it take you? It looks good!
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
Don't worry about your finger. If you are doing it for laypeople who are not burning your hands like some of the critics here, it will go totally unnoticed. If you want to fool magician's with it, then don't let then know what you are about to do.
I think it looks very clean. Laypeople won't pick up on the middle finger because when you are performing the move you'll more than likely have their attention diverted somewhere else. I use a riffle pass as well, and it doesn't look as clean as yours does, and I've never been busted using it. Actually, the only one who could see that something fishy was going on was my wife, but I had asked her to burn my hands to see if she could notice it. Although she could notice something happened, she had no idea what had taken place.
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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Gambit Ice New user United States 32 Posts |
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On 2010-06-17 07:01, Luke Clough wrote: To be honest I don't remember where I first learned it. I used to practice it a lot back when I was in highschool and have slowly been refining it since. |
JTW Special user Florida 670 Posts |
Yes the finger is noticeable and you should be work to correct it. Don't listen to the "Lay People won't notice" advice, no offence Gospel Dan but that's very lazy thinking.
Gambit, there is a noticeable break in the pack just prior to executing the sleight, could use some refining. Also its called a "Riffle Pass" not a "Pass then Riffle" Fred Robinson's Technique (the originator) utilized the action of the riffle to execute the pass. Just some things to think about. |
MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
Jason is absolutely correct, the finger flutter IS noticeable and lay folk are neither blind nor stupid!
I find it irresponsible for those with the knowledge and ability to teach to offer advice that basically promotes a C average approach! If the student wants to learn and comes to us with questions about a sleight then we should be completely honest with them on what he needs to work on! Why blow sunshine and rainbows up someones arse when they have an honest desire to excel!!?!?!? I think Gambit's shift looks pretty good and with time, practice and attention to the details it can be a great shift! Continue the good work and keep us posted on your progress! MMc |
Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
Well, I perform it all the time, and like I said, I've never been caught.
Perhaps it's because I use mis-direction. But either way, I don't mean to say to not keep practicing either. I too always keep practicing to make anything I utilize to be better. As magician's we know what to look for, therefore we are burning our attention directly on the whereabouts of the move happening. He's also telling us what he is doing, so it's easy to notice every step. Laypeople will not be doing that. They won't even know what to be looking for. If the pass is done right, the magician will be looking in the eyes of the spectator with whom he is performing for. When he has eye contact that's usually the best time to perform the move. At least that is when I perform it. I could wait a couple of more years to perfect it before using it, but I can use it as is and not get busted. However, I understand my ignorance in that Gambit Ice is asking for advice from other magician's to make his pass even better. Therefore, I do stand corrected.
"If you're going to walk in the rain, don't complain about getting wet!"
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Eddie C New user 39 Posts |
I don't get the big commotion here and why people are asking the OP which riffle pass or where he learned it from. It's just a plain riffle pass. The riffle pass is the easiest pass to make 'invisible' as the riffling action covers the move. The biggest problem I had was the amount of overall movement of your hands. You also need to cover that break - which I know it's mainly due to the angle, but if you're going to plan on filming it on a certain angle, make sure everything is covered.
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Gambit Ice New user United States 32 Posts |
Thanks for all the advice everyone! I'll keep practicing and post up an update in maybe about a month.
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