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J.Warrens Inner circle Canada 1098 Posts |
And how many times has it happened that a spectator is STILL convinced that you're using a gaffed deck even after allowing them to examine your 100% straight deck?
In the end, I don't believe that this (the new Mandolin's) is gonna hurt anything at all - in fact, I will probably give them a whirl just to have a change-up from the regular 808's. They don't look like an eye-sore to me. Cheers. |
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
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On 2010-06-18 16:50, Card-Shark wrote: Never say never! The Mandolin's will eventually be more widely available than any other custom deck. Murphy's will not be the only store that will carry them either. The cost of the Mandolin's will be lower than the custom decks that are already on the market.
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Diavoli Productions New user Germany 11 Posts |
Any one after decks produced with standard RIDER BACK 808 can have them produced by us. http://www.diavoli.de
The RIDER BACK must remain unchanged from the original but the colors can be altered. We can even produce Gaff Cards with the original RIDER BACK also. We work with USPCC and they confirmed they will produce any deck with their RIDER BACK as long as the back design is not changed, other than color. Any one that says the MANDOLIN Decks are the new Magicicans deck are just trying to sell them (much like the Phoenix deck trying to become the magicians choice). Hope this clarifies the issue and information was direct from USPCC this week. |
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davidpeters Loyal user 213 Posts |
These are now in stock (Red only right now) and shipping to your favorite dealer near you!
David Peters
Murphy's Magic Supplies, Inc. www.murphysmagic.com[url] www.youtube.com/murphysmagic www.myspace.com/murphysmagic www.twitter.com/murphysmagic |
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Phil J. Elite user 467 Posts |
Just seen the first advert for Mandolins here in the UK. At a cost of £5 per pack they're not cheap and 2.5x dearer than standard Bikes. I won't be buying them for sure.
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doormouse Regular user 152 Posts |
I think that the marketing of these has been less than honest. They make it seem, and want you to believe, that gaffs will not be available on the old Bikes. Murphy's has the exclusive on these and is spreading this false information, why?
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Voldemort Special user Florida 562 Posts |
Yeah, I agree. Gaffs are still going to be made for the 808's. And lets face it, I can print the gaffs that they won't for myself. Murphy's is also saying that they are trying to get ALL of their marketed effects produced in mandolin back as well. Sound like someone is trying to cover all the angles.
And I just saw the price, About $3.50 a deck. This is no where near what was being said by some here about the price. They were saying it was going to be close to regular 808 price which would have been around $1.50 a deck. Couple that with the fact that you have to get them shipped because unlike the 808 they aren't going to be sold in stores, and these are out for me. Just to expensive with the amount of cards that I go through. I figured that they would be sort of high priced though. Too many people have their hands in the cookie jar for them to be low cost.
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Phil J. Elite user 467 Posts |
Just found a second UK advert, this time priced at £3!
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doormouse Regular user 152 Posts |
This is what I hate. I found this on one of Murphy's dealers site:
"The new MANDOLIN deck is going to be the STANDARD deck in the magic industry. It looks almost identical to a regular Bicycle Deck, with one main exception: the bicycle back design is no longer going to be made in gaff cards. So all your double backs, or blank face cards are eventually transitioning over to Mandolin cards." This is unethical marketing. QUIT LYING TO US! |
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slim23 Veteran user 309 Posts |
My magic store in Montreal told me today that they were goinfg to have them in stock for sale. So I guess this will be a new trend. They told me that a couple of person were asking for them so I guess you have to ask at your local store.
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mmreed Inner circle Harrisburg, PA 1432 Posts |
Slim,
I think you will see most stores carrying them. They are cut better than normal bikes - thanks to Richard Turner overseeing them. Much better feel.. all for about the same price as a normal deck. We have them in stock and everyone seems to like how they feel - faro, ect...
Mark Reed
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Voldemort Special user Florida 562 Posts |
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On 2010-08-05 21:02, mmreed wrote: Sorry Mark, But these are not the same price as a normal deck or even around the same price. Quote:
On 2010-08-05 19:44, doormouse wrote: doormouse, I couldn't agree more.
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mmreed Inner circle Harrisburg, PA 1432 Posts |
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On 2010-08-05 19:44, doormouse wrote: that dealer should be corrected - they are quite wrong about the backers... only things that CHANGE the design wont be made. the basic statement is " allowing no more gaffs of the card back design" the doubles and such have no impact on design.
Mark Reed
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Voldemort Special user Florida 562 Posts |
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On 2010-08-05 22:10, mmreed wrote: This is the kind of idea that Murphy's itself is pushing. Anyway, I can get 12 decks of 808's for $13.50. That's about a $1.20 or so a deck. That's what normal price is for me and a lot of others who buy from Sam's or other places like it. With the amount of cards I go through, the Mandolin's are not happening. With shipping the Mandolin's run about $4.00 a deck. If they were around $2.00 a deck, that's what I would consider normal. I KNEW that they were going to pull this kind of thing. I'm going to make a prediction right now that these won't be replacing 808's anytime soon. The main reason that none of the dozens of other decks that have come on the market up to this point haven't replaced 808 bicycles, is because they are just too expensive. Mandolin's are around $45.00 a dozen. that's Waaaay off $13.00 a dozen for 808's kids. But Murphy's thinks they can change that by making up a bunch of garbage about the USPCC not printing Gaffs anymore and letting it filter down. I would have loved to have been in on that meeting. "Hey lets take advantage of the no back design changes thing that the USPCC is coming out with"!!.
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mmreed Inner circle Harrisburg, PA 1432 Posts |
Vold - keep in mind, when I say near the same price... I am referring to Richard Turner Gold 808 decks... not the sams club packs.
The Mandolin deck is cut and produced very close to Turners gold deck - there is a HUGE difference between a Turner gold deck and a sams club deck. HUGE difference. that's why they are $3-4 a deck vs the $1something of the cheaper stock, sloppier cut deck. Read up on the Turner Gold deck and you will hear about all the differences and better handling. the Mandolins are very close to Turners deck... Turner is the one that helped put together the mandos. You cannot compare them to bulk pack discount warehouse decks, or even plain jane mass produced 808s. Now.. the question only each of us can answer for ourselves... is the better card deck worth it for what I do with cards?
Mark Reed
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Voldemort Special user Florida 562 Posts |
Mark,
Sorry, I don't like the Richard Turner bikes. I got 6 decks of them a while back and I thought they were WAY overpriced and overhyped. I really don't care about the Richard Turner thing. I go through 7 - 10 decks of cards a week. I've never had any problem with regular old 808's and I DID NOT under any circumstances think that the Gold Seal bikes were much better than a regular deck. So that price point thing for me is redundant. Beyond that, These mandolin 809's are suppose to be a replacement (For magicians) for regular 808 bicycle cards. Not a replacement for Gold Seal bikes. So.. I can and do compare them to the bulk packs and regular decks found in the store because that's what the mandolins are suppose to be replacing. If they are Gold seal version 2.0 then that's what they need to be advertised as. Anyway, At $13.00 a dozen to $45.00 a dozen there is no good reason for me to even consider it.
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Yup. These cards are to expensive if you go through decks frequently.
I suppose if you are a working pro that gets top dollar for gigs they would be o.k. as you can deduct the price of the cards from your taxes. However for amatuers these are way to expensive. At least they are for me.
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Voldemort Special user Florida 562 Posts |
You know, They are still producing 808's. And crappy box redesign aside, They are still the same cards they always were. They handle fine for me and I'm sure many others.
Just remember, This whole thing started because of the all the "No more gaffs" business. Not because of people complaining about the way 808's handle or how they are made. Frankly if they were going to do it, They should have printed that new back design on the same cards that are being produced as 808's. (The same stock, cut and finish) and priced them the same as 808's. In other words, A straight up replacement that gaffs could be printed for just like they said. But instead of doing that, They pull Harris and Turner and whoever else into it practically guaranteeing a high cost and low availability. Did we need another version of gold seal bikes? I know I didn't. That's not what these 809's were suppose to be, And there is no point in talking about how much better these apparently handle or any of that nonsense. That's not what this was about. This was about producing a REPLACEMENT for 808's that could have gaffs freely printed on the back design. Nothing more. Oh... By the way... I've read that the jokers and the Ace of spades for the 809's are still the standard design used for 808's. Is that true? If so, does that also mean that those cards STILL can't be gaffed if it interferes with the design of the Joker or Ace? If that's the case this whole thing has become even more idiotic.
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mmreed Inner circle Harrisburg, PA 1432 Posts |
Very good points Vold. I agree they should have used the same stock and cut in order to keep them priced lower.
Mark Reed
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prizna New user 44 Posts |
Since the Mandolin deck has the original Ace of Spades and joker, does that mean the Ace of Spades and joker can't be gaffed?
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