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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
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On 2010-06-24 22:16, Carl Andrews wrote: Card, good idea. You have some really neat apps. Tom
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Quickly... 'kind-of' off subject, but not really...
Networking (as Blair is talking about…) is about what we can GIVE and not what we can GET if we are doing it correctly... ADD Massive Value! But THAT is also true of this entire discussion as well, isn't it? Now "HOW" we each do that is individualized. “Success isn't a result of spontaneous combustion. You must set yourself on fire." Find Your Passion… DO Your Purpose… Make It Profitable! Live “L.O.V.E.” Everyday! Life Of Vibrant Expression! I am at your service and in HIS Service, Deano (Helping You Succeed) in Reno <>< PS Grab Your 100% FREE, No Foolin’ Success Event Playback AND Downloadable GIFTS Now? http://www.EntertainersSuperConference.com
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John Martin Inner circle 1017 Posts |
I guess what you say in private and what you say/portray on the internet can be two very different things. If being dishonest works for you, go for it.
Donald, none, even me was disputing any success Blair may be having. Let's just say that 6 years of his daily calls to me paints a very different picture then what he would have his flock believe here in cyberspace. I'm just glad you're his new BFF. How's that working for you? Also for Blair, this was not off topic but a pertinent part of the topic in handing out you business information. John |
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
John,
That is why I continued the discussion on the networking, because it IS pertinent to how you diseminate your information, but as you know it is a whole other ballgame, that some, (not necessarily me), play very well. But to turn this whole thread into a networking discussion takes away from Benji's initial post. And as you suggest about being candid (dishonest?) there are details about networking I would rather not go into here publicly on the Café. Posts are public (ie. Googleable etc.) Blair
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jamesbond Loyal user 249 Posts |
The only way cards work when they are given OUT - not in your home sitting in a box. Will some of them get thrown out? Of course, but if you can't handle it maybe time to look for a different line of work... you would be surprised how dumb some people are you actually have to spell it out "I AM AVAILABLE FOR HIRE"... it's very simple THE MORE CARDS ARE GIVEN OUT THE BIGGER CHANCE OF GETTING HIRED. period.
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Where I DO agree that “ANY” marketing or business idea is not of any real value if it never get's used! (Duh, right?) BUT there ARE also "Better & BEST Practices" when it comes to getting real results!
Running 100 miles an hour in the WRONG direction, though going FAST, is still the wrong direction! Sooo… my suggestion is to Run 100 Miles An Hour IN THE RIGHT Direction because "Success is 100% L.U.C.K.!" (Labor Under Correct Knowledge) “Success isn't a result of spontaneous combustion. You must set yourself on fire." Find Your Passion… DO Your Purpose… Make It Profitable! Live “L.O.V.E.” Everyday! Life Of Vibrant Expression! I am at your service and in HIS Service, Deano (Helping You Succeed) in Reno <>< PS - More FREE Stuff... Grab Your 100% FREE, No Foolin’ Success Event Playback AND Downloadable GIFTS Now? http://www.EntertainersSuperConference.com
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John Martin Inner circle 1017 Posts |
Blair,
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Posts are public (ie. Googleable etc.) On this, at least we can agree. http://tinyurl.com/24rslbf And now back to business cards. Barry Mitchell has some great thougts on busines cards in his wonderful book The Magic Of Thinking Creatively. http://www.barrymitchellproducts.com/sto......07030120 All the best, John |
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Carl Andrews Special user Maui, Hawaii 749 Posts |
Thanks Tom! I promise they will remember you and how you produced the business card if you use "BizCard Magic" App. It's hip, it's techie, and their eyes pop open when you hand them the card. I never get tired of seeing the look in their faces, it's priceless. Thanks again!
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gordon russ New user 58 Posts |
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Cesar Munoz wrote: I agree with Cesar, After my show I explain "That in just a moment I will tell everyone how they can come up and pet the raccoon (Rocky), but first we have to do the commercial announcement. I then announce "Mom and dads if your are interested in having me come to your company picnic for that large company that you own. I have business cards on the table, Also Moms out there if you are in the PTA or PTO at your child's school, if you are in that clique, I do school assemblies, brochures are also on the table." I then line all the kids up and play the music Pomp and Circumstance and as they Pet the raccoon I hand them their Magic Show Diploma a souvenir post card. I try to keep it humorous and keep the line moving. I will sometimes give a kid his first job after graduation. I will hand him a stack of business cards and tell him to give one to every adult in the room. I can not count the number of times I get a call from a client that says, "My son got your card at your show a few months ago......" Cards and Post Cards are so cheap from GotPrint.com The more outflow the more inflow. Gordon |
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
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On 2010-06-26 07:29, gordon russ wrote: Quick question, Gordon. Do you actually use the word "clique" in your script? I always thought that word had a negative connotation to it. - Donald
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Memory question:
When was the last time you tried to ignore a business card? Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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gordon russ New user 58 Posts |
Hey Donald,
Yes I do use "clique". The way I say it is humorous, You often see a couple of moms looking at each other knowingly, because it often is a clique. I am able to get a laugh and get away with it. Gordon |
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Jay Jennings Veteran user Scottsdale, AZ 332 Posts |
Scenario 1 - There are 10 people in the room and 2 of them actually want your card. You only give cards to people who ask. At the end of the day you have given out 2 cards.
Scenario 2 - There are 10 people in the room and 2 of them actually want your card. You give cards to everyone there. At the end of the day you have given out 10 cards -- including 2 to the people who actually wanted them. The difference between Scenario 1 and Scenario 2 is that you order cards more often with the latter -- but you also have the chance that one of those people who didn't want the card at that moment will still have it on their desk when they *do* need someone like you. Obviously, I lean to the side of "give out more cards rather than fewer." My performance/time is what is scarce, not my contact info. Jay Jennings
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
One thing that in arrogance magicians forget is that by the way in which you do things, YOU may be the one not qualified by the CUSTOMER.
Danny Doyle
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts |
So I think we can all agree to disagree and just do what you think is best.
My method is to hand out cards where the clientele can afford a show, makes eye contact and are in a good mood. On the other hand, I don't hand out many cards where the clientele is "Less well off".
Jay Leslie
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
"Methods" may differ, but I think we can all agree that:
=A) Cards are CHEAP! (Even if they are more expensive… it’s all relative eh’?) =B) I doubt that anyone will HATE us, or not book us JUST Because we give them a card… and yes, even if they don’t exactly want one right then and there... most understand social decorum after all and politely accept them. (Even if they choose to toss it later with out malice.) =C) To EACH Their Own as to how we each choose to deal with this marketing outreach. (Don’t have to agree... just do what works for you and your business.) =D) If they DON'T have cards, they will not likely HIRE us as any point. So something is better than nothing in most cases. Simply put; No Harm, No Foul... YES, even though I have my own thoughts and experiences as to how I generate interest, value and ultimately how I (or do not… depending) give out cards and promo etc... “Success isn't a result of spontaneous combustion. You must set yourself on fire." Find Your Passion… DO Your Purpose… Make It Profitable! Live “L.O.V.E.” Everyday! Life Of Vibrant Expression! I am at your service and in HIS Service, Deano (Helping You Succeed) in Reno <>< PS – MORE KILLER FREE STUFF! Grab Your 100% FREE, No Foolin’ Success Event Playback AND Downloadable GIFTS Now? http://www.EntertainersSuperConference.com JOIN ME for Free Business Tips and Success Shares... and FUN-Stuff, of course! = http://www.FaceBook.com/TheDeanOfSuccess = http://www.YouTube.com/TheDeanOfSuccess = http://www.Twitter.com/DeanOfSuccess
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Deano I disagree on ONE point. I do believe that you can either hook people or turn them off by the manner in which you hand them a card. At least in my experience.
Danny Doyle
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
I suppose brother Danny, if we try hard enough we could offend anyone for any reason, but it would be a most extreme situation to do so JUST by handing out a card in a professional manner, BUT stranger things have happened I guess… anything is possible.
=> BESIDES, if someone was OFFENDED ‘just’ cuz I offered/gave them my card, (NOT 'FORCED' it on them, simply offered it to them in a professional manor...) and they still got upset, not sure I'd want to work with that kind-of person anyway! (…unless I'm missing something here.) So yeah, “I guess, it is possible” that "The Manner" in which we hand them our card ‘could’ be problematic, BUT it would have to be kind-of extreme and offensive in my mind to turn some off just cuz someone offered them a card... and I don’t see that happen too often, (actually, for me, never… in person anyway.) but then again, “anything is possible”. RATS! I guess I'm not going to cross the street today for fear of getting hit by a bus... anything is possible. (Hehehehehe! - Just funnin' with ya Danny!) AGAIN, as I have said, I personally choose to handle my-own card marketing in my own way by adding massive value, but if there is no harm, no one get's hurt "in general"! Everyone has their own style… me, you, everyone here. Like we’ve said, what works for me and my personality and what I can personally get away with may be different than you, Benji… any one of us and visa versa. That’s all I’m sayin’… By the way... I'm all good that we may not agree on this, just sharing my views and experience. I WILL say that I totally agree that we DO need to be elegant, eloquent, professional and appropriate NO MATTER WHAT we are doing... but I'm old-school that way. (Hehehehe!) “Success isn't a result of spontaneous combustion. You must set yourself on fire." Find Your Passion… DO Your Purpose… Make It Profitable! Live “L.O.V.E.” Everyday! Life Of Vibrant Expression! I am at your service and in HIS Service, Deano (Helping You Succeed) in Reno <>< PS – MORE KILLER FREE STUFF! Grab Your 100% FREE, No Foolin’ Success Event Playback AND Downloadable GIFTS Now? http://www.EntertainersSuperConference.com JOIN ME for Free Business Tips and Success Shares... and FUN-Stuff, of course! = http://www.FaceBook.com/TheDeanOfSuccess = http://www.YouTube.com/TheDeanOfSuccess = http://www.Twitter.com/DeanOfSuccess
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Juliegel Loyal user 294 Posts |
I have never cared for a performer that hands out a card like it is a disease they are trying to rid themselves of. It just comes off as obtrusive and a bit sorry to me sometimes. Salesmen use the tactic of handing out cards like crazy, just look at your local car dealer. You have this guy stroll up to you and show you around while he may or may not make you uncomfortable (sounds like magicians so far). Then when your time together ends regardless of any relationship had together they will put their card in you hand and insist you call them for your next purchase. This completely destroys it for me. You went from a pleasant guy to someone who wants to use me.
Same goes for magicians. You work up a relationship that makes them think that you are there for them to enjoy but then at the end they find out they were just fooled into sitting through an infomercial. I wait until I am asked before I pop out the cards. While performing some may ask about what I do and I will tell them that I entertain people in restaurants and private engagements. This will give all the tip I need to have them ask for a card. If you can manage your audience right you can make them think that it was them who wanted you the whole time. As always, Dylan |
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Yep... for me, PERSONALLY, THAT is the closer to the mark! (But that is me and my personality of service!) To generate enough genuine desire, value and want that they actually ASK for a card.
Like I said several times now, I think the goal is to generate soooooo much value that they qualify themselves with irresistible desire BECAUSE you create sooooo much VALUE they have no choice but to ask for your contact solution... That said, to each there own in experience and style. THAT said, I have personally NEVER been “offended” by someone simple handing me there card… its LIFE. If I would get ‘offended’ or worked-up in ANY sort of fashion, that is MY problem, not theirs as I see it anyway. Some may not agree here, but to get “upset, worked-up” (what-ever word YOU choose to use here) just because someone gave me a card s a bit silly (again, what-ever word…) to me… EVEN-IF they are NOT someone I will ever do business with for ‘what-ever-reason’ I simply get over my self and move-on. Hey, I ain’t all that hot-stuff that I am any position to judge other people before I even get to know them. (EVEN IF I don’t want [or have time… etc] to get to know them… right?) It’s JUST a card for goodness sake! It is a normal, social convention… nothing to get worked-up (again… what-ever-words) about is there? As a effective marketer, I personally agree that it is always better to get folks to ask for and WANT our info, but should anyone get offended if we politely, professionally offer our card??? Dunno about that now… not that big-o-deal is it? Just sayin’ – We are all welcome to our own opinion, experience, style, personality... etc. Heck I even AGREE in principle and personal practice by n’ large in my own business, BUT just cuz I don’t agree certainly don’t make others wrong… right? (Hehehehe!) By the way, this is a good discussion agree, disagree… what-ever. THANKS! “Success isn't a result of spontaneous combustion. You must set yourself on fire." Find Your Passion… DO Your Purpose… Make It Profitable! Live “L.O.V.E.” Everyday! Life Of Vibrant Expression! I am at your service and in HIS Service, Deano (Helping You Succeed) in Reno <><
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