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Kent Wong Inner circle Edmonton, Alberta, Canada 2458 Posts |
This is a great thread. I saw a videotaped performance of myself recently and it was extremely eye-opening. Now, don't get me wrong; I always dress well whenever I perform. I have specific performing jackets that fit my personality and I've always worn dress pants with pressed shirts.
BUT I just noticed that my pants really need to be tailored more than they currently are. Although I've always had the outseam measured, I need to pay much more attention to the inseam and the rise. Without this extra attention to detail, it looks like the rise of my pants is at about knee level. Since I'm not really going for the MC Hammer look, I figure I'd better find a tailor - FAST! Kent
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aitchy Loyal user 222 Posts |
A friend I spoke too about this said his bookings and then asking price doubled when he did 3 things;
1) loose 50lbs 2) had his teeth whitened 3) got a designer haircut and taylored suits. How you look is very important and I think its fair to say many magicians don't put enough effort into this. |
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aitchy Loyal user 222 Posts |
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asgar Elite user 409 Posts |
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On 2010-07-07 16:14, Kent Wong wrote: That's nice to hear.My mentor is a really good magician.But his cloths cut and size is not admirable at all .Not everyone is Daryl to carry off a red jacket .I find hard to carry off a suit.Probably it's because I'm relatively young.Older guys can carry off stuff which may make the youngs look like Precocious or overly dressed.
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
I am always clad in black. Have been ever since jr. high school (I am 36 years old now). So far this year I have lost 35 lbs and continue to drop. I believe in dressing for success. I am always dressed as I am in the picture (unless I am out with my family or the occasion calls to dress down, but even then I am dressed nicely and in black). If you dress as if you are successful then you will be perceived as successful, and perception is reality. If I am always seen dressed as in the picture, potential clients are not so shocked when I tell them my fee. If I were to tell someone my fee in a t-shirt and jeans they would laugh in my face. Oh, and if you want to work corporate, cover the tattoos and lose the earring. Even if you are dressed in a suit and tie, if you have tattoos showing or an earring, chances are good that you will not get the job.
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Mr. Pitts Inner circle David Pitts 1058 Posts |
Asgar, I think you have a point about dressing appropriate to your age. It's been said here in different ways, but I think the 'costuming' should convey your character. I for one, couldn't effectively pull off 'suave', even in a $1000 suit. It's just not my character. I could do a caricature of a smooth, sophisticated magician, but I am a born clown (I don't wear clown stuff anymore, I don't have to). Being aware of that truth has given me a lot of clarity in developing my stage persona, but it hasn't made it less important to have the right look. In some ways, I have to work harder to find that balance. In choosing costuming for an upscale event, I have to actually look very nice and professional, like any magician should, but slightly 'off', a little better than the audience, but maybe a little overboard.
I've been also dealing with the 'age appropriateness' factor in my own costuming, but sort of the opposite of your problem. I'm almost 50 years old, solidly middle-aged. I've been trying to develop a more comfotable, casual, contemporary look for outdoor birthday parties here in steamy hot San Antonio. I've had a real vaudeville kind of sensibility to my costuming for a long time, but I am serious about trying to look like I'm from this century for certain gigs. I still want the look to say 'comedy magician'. It's been a surprisingly difficult look to create. The stuff I've come up with doesn't look sharp enough, or it looks too young, too pedestrian.. it's tricky. I spend a lot of time thinking about it and trying different things. I'm not there yet. |
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augiemagic Regular user Overland Park, KS 162 Posts |
As far as the "lose fifty pounds" goes, I would have to disagree in many instances. Big guys can seem a lot more trustworthy, and less intimidating. This is very important to an audience: it can help them identify with a performer. I think a male model type, clad only in the very best of Armani would have a much more difficult time communicating his humanity. People may be attracted to beauty, but it can be very off-putting.
I do, however agree that most magicians need to think more about their image. They just need to think about it in context of what they are trying to do. |
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Brent McLeod Inner circle 1792 Posts |
A quote from lay audience people I hear often when they
talk to me about shows theve seen etc.. about larger performers is that all the larger guys should be or are usually dressed up as clowns!!! that's fine if you like kids under 6!! Dress well for any show & if your image is up to scratch you will enhance the Image of Professional Magic performed well... size doesn't matter as long as you dress well!! and your acts good.. Performing for a group of people wearing a shirt that looks like a tea Towel & mismatching pants that don't fit- doesn't have anything to do with size but style.. Take a good look at many of the Local Linking Ring Magazine Photos of club shows & get togethers & most of the fashions worn while performing are really bad and the performers havent thought at all about Image-and we wonder why Magic gets a bad rap....... -Buy some nice clothes, that match.... |
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
I still think that even if you are young, you should be dressed to impress. A nice shirt with a tie is good. Lose the suit coat maybe as that would seem a bit over dressed for a younger person.
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Johnny Butterfield Veteran user 378 Posts |
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On 2010-07-08 21:14, asgar wrote: True, but you can wear nice pieces and still look casual. Really nice, well fitted jeans with a great pair of shoes and a decent shirt say something more positive than a 12 dollar pair of jeans from a bargain outlet, knock-off sneakers and a four dollar t-shirt. Similarly, a cheap suit looks like a cheap suit... might be better to wear something a little more causal of better quality in some instances. Perception is reality - if you look cheap, that's the reality people will form about you.
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3528 Posts |
Devil's advocate:
Has anyone else noticed how many working performers have that "overly slick" plastic-y look about them? I mean they usually look impeccable, but there is a quality of inauthenticity about them that I find hard to put my finger on...
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augiemagic Regular user Overland Park, KS 162 Posts |
Yeah, I know what you mean, Gaddy. I think it's an attempt on their part to look like the "Classical" Magician, or as they think their audience expects them to look. Either that, or us nerdy guys like the ego boost from looking straight up Baller, G.
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Scott Burton Inner circle 1131 Posts |
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On 2010-07-07 18:27, aitchy wrote: I believe that this is just as much (or even more) to do with how the performer feels as how you physically appear to others. When you FEEL powerful, confident, attractive, successful, and in control, then you start to unconsciously change your behaviour patterns and sell/present yourself in a much more confident way. This can only lead to higher levels of success. |
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aitchy Loyal user 222 Posts |
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On 2010-07-11 08:03, Scott Burton wrote: a good point that I agree with. I hadn't thought of it in that way but yep, its also about feeling comfortable with the self your presenting to the crowd as much as being comfortable with how the crowd perceive you. As for the "big guys look more down to earth etc" comments above - I can see that point too about looking friendly/down to earth - but (as someone who has recently lost weight myself) I know that people often react towards you in a more positive way at first sight when you look healthy. Also when your large you sweat more which in close up is KILLER |
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Mr. Pitts Inner circle David Pitts 1058 Posts |
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On 2010-07-09 20:42, gaddy wrote: I have noticed. I think professional wardrobe can be a real asset, certainly in selling the idea to an agent or booker, but I think it's important to convey an original character or stage persona. If a performer doesn't have one to convey, there's going to be a lack of authenticity that, like you say Gaddy, you can't quite put your finger on. You can't put you finger on it because it's what is NOT there that's bugging you.. something real. If I look at Mac King or Lance Burton, I see two very different styles, but both have an authentic presence. They both have original stage personalities, very different from one another, but both well realized and both accentuated by their wardrobe choices. They could wear anything though and the personality would be there. If I got a cruise ship or corporate gig, I'd try to dress the part, but if I didn't bring the personality they'd remember nothing but the suit.. and probably not even that. |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3528 Posts |
Well said Mr. Pitts! I think you nailed it, there.
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Donnie Buckley V.I.P. Cleveland, Ohio 1123 Posts |
"Always look like you have somewhere better to go, afterwards..."
It's an old axiom that works for all occassions, but not necessarily when you are a performer. As a performer one should regard their attire as their costume/wardrobe. Regardless of who you are, you need to dress for your part. You are somebody aren't you? |
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augiemagic Regular user Overland Park, KS 162 Posts |
Mr. Pitts, I believe you have both reconciled the differing opinions of those present, and done so in a most eloquent manner.
Bravo. |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Ever since I first read this thread I have become very anual about my appearance. I trim my facial hair several times a week, and before every show. I don't think anybody else notices, but the hair on my chin must be just so before I leave the bathroom. Well it's time to get ready for my next show, and the hairs in my ears, and nose are growing.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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Benji Bruce Special user 930 Posts |
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On 2010-08-15 15:21, Al Angello wrote: Women notice it. |
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