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Eddy Special user Manchester 582 Posts |
I do an effect by Jim Swain where it says that I must do six out Faro's to get into the setup. In brackets it says (or 2 reverse faros). What is a reverse Faro, I'd like to know as it would save me a lot of time. Thanks!
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blindbo Special user Bucks County, PA 790 Posts |
I don't know, but I just had to comment...
SIX FARO'S!!! In a row, in front of specs, no mistakes?? I think I would opt for a prearranged switch out! If you can get this setup down, Eddy, you da man! |
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ScottF. New user California 40 Posts |
In a reverse faro you outjog every other card as you spread through the deck then strip-out the outjogged cards and place them on top. As in a regular faro, if the original top card stays the same then it's a reverse out faro and if it changes then it called a reverse in faro.
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david walsh Regular user Bonnie Scotland 183 Posts |
Blindbo, there has been a little bit of a misunderstanding. The six faro's Eddy mentions are preshow work so as they don't have to be done in front of the audience. That's why the even more tedious method of doing two reverse faro's is also an option.
Even when six faro's in front of the audience can be done with no problems and no fear of mistakes, it is a bit much for the audience and would be considered bad structuring. Unless they were tied into to a relevent and well reasoned presentation.
David.
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blindbo Special user Bucks County, PA 790 Posts |
Thanks for that clarification, David!
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mnmagic Regular user 106 Posts |
I was riding in the car today and for the heck of it I opened a new pack of cards and tried doing 7 perfect faro's. It wasn't easy but not has hard as you think. The deck was back in its original order. Kind of cool.
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MagicT Inner circle New Orleans 1248 Posts |
Shawn,
I hate to tell you this, but 7 perfect OUT Faro's does NOT put the deck back into its original order. It is 8 perfect OUT Faro's that brings the deck back to its original order. NOTE: If doing IN Faro's, 52 perfect IN Faro's is what it takes to put the deck back to its original order. Best, Trini
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marko Inner circle 2109 Posts |
49... 50.. 51.. 52. Phew, done . You're right, 52 on the nose. And it only took me 12 hours. I'll go rest now.
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mnmagic Regular user 106 Posts |
Trini, if that's the case then I was able to pull off eight of them. How is that bad news
I wasn't counting. And in case you think I am braging, they were far from easy. I made sure that everything was right before I squared the cards and if not redid it. I am just saying it can be done with practice. shawn |
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ChrisZampese Veteran user Hamilton, NZ 341 Posts |
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On 2003-06-28 18:08, david walsh wrote: If they are preshow work, then why can't he just set up the deck by looking at the faces of the cards?
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MagicT Inner circle New Orleans 1248 Posts |
Shawn,
First of all, I never said it was bad news. Second, I did not think that you were bragging. For me, doing eight FARO's is not that hard. It's all in practice. I was merely making a correction to your post. I would hate for others reading to do only 7 FARO's and expect the deck to be back in its original order. Best, Trini
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Robert Sixx Special user 850 Posts |
Actually faro's can be pretty easy work -- or at least it got to be for me after reading The Complete Works of Derek Dingle! This book taught me the most important work on the faro that I ever learned -- check it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert Sixx |
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
Derek's tip on putting the little fingertip of the left hand between the packets is awesome. While he does the faro from the bottom up, this touch works just as well with a top down faro.
If you want to add a tiny change (in addition to the left little finger) that I found made a big difference, you might try the following. Use Derek's handling with the pinky of the left hand...but in addition to this, make sure that the tip of the left index finger, which will be resting at the end of the left hand packet is positioned at the extreme diagonal opposite of the little finger, instead of the center of the outer edge. In other words, the left index finger is on the outer edge of the deck, resting all the way over near the non-index corner (if the deck is face-down). What does this do? Well, if you think of the left little fingertip as a fulcrum and the left hand packet as a lever, you've just created the most efficient lever possible by this repositioning of the index finger. This means that less effort is translated into greater force, which I find makes the weave easier. I also find the weave happens much much faster when I take this finger position, to the point where the entire mesh appears almost instantaneous. If you already faro perfectly this tip might not be worth trying, but if you've had any trouble with the technique, as I once had, this might be the finesse that makes the difference. Anyone else stumble across this? Paul
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david walsh Regular user Bonnie Scotland 183 Posts |
Chris, there is no reason why he can't just set up the deck before the performance.
It is not advised though, I'm not sure the exact effect Eddy is talking about but a good possibility is that if it requires a six faro set up it also requires two faro's in the handling. I personally never used any effects that required even one complete and perfect faro until I could do eight no problem. It removes the risk of fiddling around and looking like you are cheating. Once you can do the six perfect faro's to set the effect up, it is a whole lot easier than remembering the order of the fifty two card set up. This is even though it is not a random order.
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Eddy Special user Manchester 582 Posts |
[quote]On 2003-06-30 06:50, david walsh wrote:
Chris, there is no reason why he can't just set up the deck before the performance. It is not advised though. I'm not sure the exact effect Eddy is talking about but a good possibility is that if it requires a six faro set up it also requires two faro's in the handling. You are exactly right here. Sorry for my pitiful explanation. I am quite good at performing perfect faros. The effect is where two people pick a card from the deck, and they are then lost in the deck, and a series of cuts, shuffles etc are followed. It ends up that the deck is new order apart from the two selections which are in each others places. Neat effect.
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alexhui Inner circle Hong Kong 1956 Posts |
For those who want to master Faro shuffle, I strongly recommend Harry Lorayne's Close-up card magic. There is a short desciption of the move but it really help.
The rest is to do the faro whenever you are holding a deck of cards. After few months of practice, I can sure that you can do Faro at your will. I practise it (casually) for 2 months and I can do 8 Faro in front of my spectator confidently. Astonishingly, you can finally do the faro without looking at the deck at all. Please believe, it is not hard to do with practice. Alex
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John Fitzgerald Loyal user London, England. 215 Posts |
I second that recommendation Alex.
Also, read Harry's last word in the book for some inspirational words regarding the faro and other things. Believe it or not? I learned the faro in a day with Harry's description of the move. There's also a lot of good routines in the book too. "Fourtitude" is a nice effect using the faro from the book. Take it easy, John. |
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ChrisZampese Veteran user Hamilton, NZ 341 Posts |
Just have to ask,
Do the above posts assume that you are using a brand new deck? Wouldn't it be better to learn the stack so that you can do this with any deck as opposed to a deck that is brand new, or are you saying that the 7 shuffles are done in front of the specs? I know it is a bit off topic, but just curious, Thanks, Chris.
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david walsh Regular user Bonnie Scotland 183 Posts |
It does mean the deck should be in new deck order before the six shuffle set up.
I reckon that rather than learn the setup, effects like these should be kept for when you are in the possition that you have a deck in its new order and a chance to casually shuffle in the set up. Learning the order doesn't really sound of much use to me, if you want to do an effect with any deck it usually means impromptu. If this is the case disapearing for twenty minutes or whatever (with the borrowed deck) is a little supect. Sitting in front of them for this twenty minutes while setting up the deck is also a no go.
David.
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alexhui Inner circle Hong Kong 1956 Posts |
I don't know if it sounds strange or impractical when I mentioned that if you can do card set, you can rearrange the shuffled deck into brand new order within about 80 seconds. Thus, the effect above could be done whenever you want (if you can do six faro in front of the spectator quickly,here I mean you can do one faro within 5 seconds). If you can do everything mentioned above, the whole setup only needs 110 seconds, which is about 2 minutes.
Alex
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