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ChrisZampese Veteran user Hamilton, NZ 341 Posts |
Thanks for replying to my question David and Alex,
I can see the merits of being able to casually set this up using a brand new deck in front of the specs, but I guess what I am saying is if you want to be able to perform this with a 'pre-used' deck then you could set it up before hand, and still execute as many false shuffles as you like in front of the specs. Agreed though that the effect would be stronger from a spectator point of view if you used a new deck (presumably adds another layer of impossibility to the effect). Many thanks for your answers, Chris.
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Jim Robinson Loyal user 260 Posts |
Wouldn't dealing the cards into two piles and then putting one pile on top of the other be the same as a reverse faro? I think if you did 2 of these (outs), and then 2 perfect out faros you'd end up in the original order.
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david walsh Regular user Bonnie Scotland 183 Posts |
Jim, you would have to deal the two piles face up from face down, or face down from face up. Doing this in front of someone I reckon says "setting up."
Alex, I experimented in the past with shuffling the deck into order from a mixed state. The best way I found to do this was with four shuffles done in advance. I would then show the cards mixed and do two shuffles, as though going to show the spread again I would pause and say "one for luck." As I went to show the spread again I would pause and say "I don't want you think it was third time lucky." I would shuffle again and spread the cards to show the full deck order. I found that this breaking up thing was needed even when doing four shuffles, never mind six. The only way I would go about doing a six shuffle set up in front of people is if it was a casual performance, and I would do it through conversation. When you think about it though this really comes under pre show work. Chris, you are right in what you say, but in practice If you are going to put an old deck into new deck order in advance, why not just give them the six shuffles while you are at it?
David.
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CardFan Elite user Found the Socks ! 430 Posts |
For everyone interested in going further in the knowledge of the Faro Shuffle I recommend the reading of Alex Elmsley's "Mathematics of the Weave shuffle" that appeared in the Pentagram June to August 1957.
Really impressive and "help-to-buil-a-routine" material. A must read.
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Jim Robinson Loyal user 260 Posts |
David, because there are 2 outs, I believe you can deal face down. The first deal reverses the cards, and the second reverses it back (This is a special case). I haven't verified this with a full deck yet so I'm not positive.... But anyway I thought you said the 6 faros were pre-show work? So 2 deals definitely seems less time consuming than 6 faros, unless you're really good or need the practice anyway. Myself, I tend to lose count when doing several faros in a row.
Robinson.
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david walsh Regular user Bonnie Scotland 183 Posts |
Jim, I just checked it does work. I had over looked the reverse, reverse back thing.
At first I thought you were meaning to do this in front of the audience, possibly by tying it into some sort of presentational reasoning in the previous effect. Having to deal the piles face up from face down as I first said ruled this out. Now it is not the case. It's not for me but it is a possibility. Now that I realize you mean as an option for the pre show work. Doing it face down to face up, face up to face down, face down, face up, whatever, it is an option. If time is really an issue, I reckon for me personally the two out faros would be quickest, the six faro's second and dealing the piles slowest. Obviously this is not the case for every one. Personally I feel that if the six faros can not be done consistently with out any problems, the performer is not ready to be performing an effect that requires two perfect faros to be done in front of an audience. Therefore the six faro's is the only option as the practice is needed before the effect can be performed.
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Kjellstrom Inner circle Sweden, Scandinavia, Europe 5203 Posts |
Allan Ackerman FARO SHUFFLE Video #6 (A-1 Multimedia)
is a very good source for Faro students. Allan is a very good teacher, crystal clear presentation and pretty good video quality. There are several great effects at the end of the video. Marlo's Spade Routine is a real killer. The Ten-Card Poker Stack is a very cool thing to do. Lot of fun stuff here. Content: In-The-Hands Faro Technique Cutting at 26 Adjusting the Cut Terminology: In Faros vs. Out Faros Fine Points of the Faro Shuffle Re-squaring the Packets In Case of a Miss Rock and Re-Weave The Faro Shuffle as a Real Shuffle Further Fine Points of the Faro Shuffle The Fourth Finger Table Key Cards The Tabled Faro The Faro Check Stacking With the Faro Shuffle Combining the Faro and Riffle Stack The Ten-Card Poker Stack The Stay Stack Incomplete Faro Control Incomplete Faro With a Jog Automatic Placement Control Si Stebbins Any Card At Any Number Faro Mental Displacement Getting Packets The Same Size The Faro Divider The Reverse Faro The Faro As A Cull Eight Out Faros To Preserve Full Deck Order Effects: Marlo's Spade Routine Acrobatic Aces Ace-Ta-Mation The Gun Marlo's Matching Routine Faro Mental Displacement I bought my video from Hokus Pokus Online shop for only 25 dollar. The only bad thing its a video and not a DVD. |
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Jeff Hinchliffe Loyal user Toronto, ON Canada 280 Posts |
This effect by James Swain is excellent. Yes, the 6 perfect out faro's are pre-show work. My recommendation, have the deck setup, in the case, ready to go. Switch decks and use this as a closer. Finish up, give the deck a couple of faro's as you gather up your things. Then you only need to do 4 faro's, put the deck in it's case, and you're reset. The re-set can be done going from table to table, and then you have that effect as a closer every time. As well, it's excellent practice for the faro. One suggestion I've used to practice faros, try and open up a new deck, and do eight faro's perfect in under 1 minute, thus getting the deck back into new deck order. As well, try taking a red deck and a blue deck, and faro-ing the two decks together. It's an easy matter to separate them due to the odd back colours, but faroing two decks makes faroing one deck a lot easier... (a similar practice technique is used by many with respect to the pass)
Jeff
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HiveMind Veteran user 303 Posts |
6 out faros = 2 ANTI-Faros
26 IN Faros = back to square 1(not 52)
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
"26 IN Faros = back to square 1 (not 52)"
No, for a 52 card deck, it does take 52 In-faros to return the deck to new deck order. After 26 In-faros, a deck will have reversed its original order. Jason
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HiveMind Veteran user 303 Posts |
Jason-
I am not challenging you. But my source is the Allan Ackerman Faro Shuffle video. He says 26... Ive always taken that face value... never use In Faros, and I don't feel like doing 26 in a row right now... If you are right it might be a good thing that we point out this inacuracy in the Ackerman video. Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to sharp shoot anyone. Great quote by the way. PS: It is possible we are both right...
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GlenD Inner circle LosAngeles, Ca 1293 Posts |
As long as it involves the hands and not the feet... I guess i could learn to do multiple perfect faro "shuffles" as opposed to any other kind of shuffling.
For some strange reason I now have that "Curly Shuffle" song playing around and around in my head! AAAAH, make it go away! GlenD
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Jeff Hinchliffe Loyal user Toronto, ON Canada 280 Posts |
Jason is right, it is 52 in faros. I know, I tried it. I too thought it was 26 via the Ackerman tape. However, when someone told me it was 52, I thought, hell, let's try it. Sure enough, 26 is reverse order, and another 26 brings you "back to Square 1..."
Jeff
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Paul Sherman Inner circle Arlington, VA 1511 Posts |
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On 2003-08-24 06:57, HiveMind wrote: I think I remember Mike Close noting this error on the Ackerman video in his review of the series. 52 is the correct number. Paul
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HiveMind Veteran user 303 Posts |
Well you learn something new everyday! Thanks guys for clearing that up, I don't think I'll ever use it though. 8 seems much easier...
Maybe I'm just lazy
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