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A crib sheet is a reasonable short term solution. I know top mentalists who use this method, and it's hard to beat.

You keep looking for an 'easy' solution, a formula that will let you convert a card to a number and a number to a card. Here's a reference to one solution to this problem. I can think in octal, so this one seems easy to me. http://littleegyptmagic.com/courses.htm (Richard's stack)

Psst... Want to know a secret? Learning a memorized deck is even easier than using a formula! It would take you less time to memorize a deck than to become proficient with a formula. (Trust me; I've approached this problem both ways, and I initially made the same mistake that you're making.)
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On 2011-08-31 18:53, BarryFernelius wrote:
A crib sheet is a reasonable short term solution. I know top mentalists who use this method, and it's hard to beat.

You keep looking for an 'easy' solution, a formula that will let you convert a card to a number and a number to a card. Here's a reference to one solution to this problem. I can think in octal, so this one seems easy to me. http://littleegyptmagic.com/courses.htm (Richard's stack)

Psst... Want to know a secret? Learning a memorized deck is even easier than using a formula! It would take you less time to memorize a deck than to become proficient with a formula. (Trust me; I've approached this problem both ways, and I initially made the same mistake that you're making.)


What is this 'Little Egypt University'?
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The course list for the Little Egypt University was part of the Back to School Issue of the Little Egypt Gazette. Steve Bryant published 27 issues of the Little Egypt Gazette online back in the 1990s, and they are still available online. Steve also publishes stuff on his website, littleegyptmagic.com, about once a month.

Little Egypt refers to the southern tip of Illinois where you'll find towns with names like Cairo, Thebes, and Karnak.
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Barry - excellent! Exactly what I was looking for. I hear what you are saying about it being easier to bite the bullet and just do a memorization but 1) I am stubborn 2) I love math 3) I also think in octal/hex and 4) see reason 1.

Thanks all of you for your suggestions and encouragement - but again Barry - perfect!
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Don't say I never gave you anything.
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I recently got a hold of Tamariz's book and memorized the stack with flash cards and the imemorize iPhone app. Getting into the stack in NDO is just great. I prefer the Faro method meaning one has got to nail perfect Faros, which is not impossible. Got it perfect with 6 weeks of constant practice.

Having said that, this book is not for beginners. In many of the tricks he mentions for eg. Look for the King of Diamonds (those who memorized the deck would know the position) and cut below it. Ok here's my question how do you guys "look for the card and cut to it" without being obvious. Estimation is one way but it's really hard to be exact as one card difference can really screw things up. would be cool if you could share ideas through PM. Thanks
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Estimate or do a pass, peek and then adjust as need be by double undercuttIng the correct number of cards. Using a marked deck saves you from having to do a peek. Aronson suggests using a one way deck with a pattern of cards such as having 5th, 10th, 15th, etc. reversed. Estimate and then fan the cards to see how you did and adjust accordingly.
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Jeff. Thanks for the advice. While waiting for a reply I was practicing estimation on the Tamariz stack. While not sure fire I can get within + - 2 to 3 cards most of the time. I might just try to practice estimation till I'm + - 1 card to the selection. Just don't like the peek as its so obvious even if it's motivated.
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Simon Aronson calls it "cut and glimpse", and adjust if necessary. Don't worry about the peek, it's invisible if you do a square around move which is motivated after a cut. You will get better with practice. Relax, be natural and try to get the idea merely toying with the cards. Jan
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Jan. thanks for the advice. Will practice!
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Having worked with both methods myself, I can attest that although something like the BCS can seem like a dream come true at first, a memorized stack is ultimately both more versatile and easier to work with. Plus, Mnemonica contains some of the best memorized deck material you're going to find anywhere.
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Both Simon Aronson and Juan Tamariz have created excellent routines for their stacked deck work. Some are stack dependent, others are not. I use the Aronson Stack (the stack I was first introduced to) but apply a lot of Tamariz's routines to the stack. If anyone has not read the work of both Aronson and Tamariz (there are others too!), irrespective of which stack you use, then you've definitely missed out.

P.S. The routine that first piqued my interest in learning a 'mem' deck was Simon Aronson's "Past-Present-Future" from Simply Simon. I was shown this many many years ago and it blew my mind! I still regard it as one of the best mem deck routines.
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On 2012-08-15 08:58, murrari wrote: ....
P.S. The routine that first piqued my interest in learning a 'mem' deck was Simon Aronson's "Past-Present-Future" from Simply Simon. I was shown this many many years ago and it blew my mind! I still regard it as one of the best mem deck routines.

Yes!!! Smile Jan
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To Barry:

There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those that understand binary numbers and those that don't.

Think in octal? My god, what are you a math professor?

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Dennis,

I'm just a friendly, ordinary Zen techno-geek, who programmed his first IBM mainframes using punchcards back in 1964. I was seven years old at the time. Smile

-Barry
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Barry, my jaw dropped.
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No one has mentioned the Bart Harding stack for a math based stack.

IMO, none of the math based stacks are even close to a true memorized deck. BUT, they do allow someone who is not willing to put in the time and effort to memorize a stack to do SOME of the mem deck effects.
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Keep the mem deck work better for us... Jan
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