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Donald Dunphy
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Actually, I haven't met Kyle in person. I called him the first time I went ('08), but he was under the weather that weekend.

I went to an entertainers super conference, run by Eric Paul, in Nov '08 and '09. It was a professional performer's business conference. Met Jim Snack, Dean Hankey, Bruce Bray, John Carlson, Louis Meyer, DJ Ehlert, Julian Franklin, Brad Ross, David Farr, Kennedy, Steve Somers, Tim Mannix, Marty Hahne, Michael Messing, and other professionals. I had met Eric 10 years earlier, at another event in Hollywood, CA.

After the event in Philly, I went and visited with Dennis Dowhy for a few days, and met his family. In '09 when I was visiting with Dennis, I also did a lecture for the members of KIDabra Chapter 1.

I had a Pat's cheesesteak the first year I was there. "Wit-out."

- Donald
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Al Angello
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I remember Kyle inviting everyone to his house, but I did not know that he got sick that weekend.
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Donald Dunphy
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The first year we were right in King of Prussia, so we were really near Kyle's home turf. The next year, we were in Philly, not too far away from the airport.

- Donald

P.S. I thought about it, and the last props I bought for my show was on that trip back in November. I bought a used set of Linking Rings (replace my worn out set), and a Temple Screen. Spent about $100 U.S. Still haven't used the Temple Screen.
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MagicSanta
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I can see him visiting Kyle but to just want to go to PA and NJ...icky!
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Yes, it was a magic conference / business trip. But some fun time, too. Smile

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I was lucky to be able to retire at the age of 55 with a pretty good retirement. In the 23 years before that I probably did 50 magic shows. I worked most weekends so anything I did was just word of mouth and if I happened to be off.
When I retired I figured I would try to advertise in the phone book. Immediately, I started to get shows. The more shows I got the more money I spent upgrading my show. The more magic shows I did I found out what I needed for certain audiences. I bought lighting for my Halloween night time shows. Sound systems, both big and small, and backdrops. Magic was more of a hobby instead of a business. Last year I bought an Axtell Hands Free ventriloquist puppet that of course set me back a little.
I now am looking to build a Doll House Illusion. I buy very little now as I almost have everything needed to perform as I advertise; Magic for all ages.
Did I entertain people 20 years ago when I had about $200 worth of magic? YES!
Is my show A LOT BETTER NOW? Yes!
Al Angello
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Chris
With a good retirement income you can have any kind of career that you want, so please go out there and have fun. That Axtell puppet that you bought is one of the most expensive childrens magic prop that I know of, but then again I am not an expert on expensive children's magic props.

Chris
I have one more question for you. If your show is a lot better now than it was 20 years ago was it your props that got better, or was it you that got better?
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This is the all-time favourite topic here at the Café! As I've mentioned before, I charge a little more than my "calculated fee" (the fee I require to make my business viable, and pay me a reasonable income). The additional 15% is spent on keeping my show looking smart and fresh, PAs, microphones, backdrops, and all the trimmings that a professional kids' entertainer needs to be adaptable to any situation.
Over the years, this has meant I've been able to buy a large number of fancy props, and now I have plenty of unusual items which no one else in my area can offer.
As Al implies, investing money in your business is only one of the many important elements that go to make a succesful performer AND businessman. Those who lack performing skills can still work in a similar way - but employ others to go out and do the entertaining.
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Potty,

Do you have video of you in action? kids'entertainers should _NEVER EVER_ seperate themselves from their audience by bringing out a Las Vegas minature (backdrops, large props, etc). Besides, as Al pointed out, there is a threshold of what you can charge as an entertainer.

When Doug Henning does 'needle thru the balloon' and you do it why does he get the big bucks doing it? Because Your doing it for kids!!! Don't get me wrong, I love entertaing kids more than anything else in life, but I'm not fooling myself - I'm working a child's birthday party.

Big props belong on a stage.

HH
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Any time a magician is in the area of Philadelphia, they are always welcome up to the house. Just something to remember if you are ever out this way. I wish I could have met up with Donald and the others since they were so close to me. I came down with a nasty sinus and respitory cold that week and so was not able to meet or greet anyone.

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On 2010-08-14 04:03, Happy Hank wrote:
Potty,

Do you have video of you in action? kids'entertainers should _NEVER EVER_ seperate themselves from their audience by bringing out a Las Vegas minature (backdrops, large props, etc). Besides, as Al pointed out, there is a threshold of what you can charge as an entertainer....
Big props belong on a stage.
HH

I'd suggest that this is your opinion, and I frankly disagree. A backdrop certainly doesn't "separate" me from my audience. It does give a nice view of the show, creates a theatrical feel, and ensures that photos and videos look good. Big props are VERY popular with younger kids, and far from separating me from the kids, they draw them in to the show, and they can't wait to help work the crazy machines, or hold the colourful boxes.
In my opinion, the only reason NOT to use backdrops and big props is where they are really inappropriate - perhaps in a very small living room. As the majority of my shows are in halls and larger venues, the "stage" I set up works very well.
As for performing "Needle Thru Balloon" for adults - well, in my mind, this one goes along with the Vanishing Ketchup Bottle, "Vanishing Bandanna", and a host of other kids' party tricks which some magicians feel is appropriate for an adult audience. I'd never use this type of effect for adults, but of course, there are many who do.
There is no doubt that in my area, at least, offering a more "professional" look works wonders. The kids and adults alike are always delighted to see a colourful and exciting set go up, and it builds anticipation of the show to come.
You can see a few clips on my website http://www.pottythepirate.com More to come in the next few months.
Potty Smile
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Props do not make the magician. YOU make the magic. The props just can enhance an overall experience if they make sense to who YOU are, YOUR character and add value in the minds of the client.

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Hey guys
We are getting way off topic here. My question was purely an ecconomic one. If you hava $20,000 invested in props, and you charge $200 a show. How many shows do you have to do before you get a little return on your investment? I must admit I never thought that some magicians consider there fee to be their magic mad money, but others of us have no day job to fall back on. Most of the money that I make from magic I invest in groceries. LOL
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Well see that is part of the problem. You have to take a look at exspense vs. how much you are charging per show. You have to put aside a percentage of your income to go towards show improvement if you feel you need to add something to a show or want to expand into a certain market. It becomes a matter of good business and realizing if it makes sense for you to do to see a return on your investment.

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On the other hand....seems someone told a story about a performer who was given "10 talents" and he buried them all....His "agent" was not happy when he only returned with the same amount.


Harris..who was going to be a math teacher...prior to that class in abnormal psychology during his freshman year in college....
with his tongue somewhere near his cheek....
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Harris
Are you saying that when you burry your talents, you will have to borrow talent from someone else, or are you just saying something that I have not been able to figure out yet? LOL
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Sam Sandler
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As I said much earlier in this thread it comes down to siple math

what you charge and what it cost you to do the show.

Al - its not jsut the props for me and you and others that do this full time it includes- gas, travel time, posters, biz cards, props, phone #, email address, website, etc etc

these are all facotored into what I charge my clients.

I cant do a show for $200! I have bills to pay.
I carry almost 2 tons of equipment (I own it all and its all payed for- thank God) but the cost of living is what I need to get out of my shows!

as you said I need to buy food to feed my daughter and myself.

For me I like doing the big shows but I also enjoy the smaller ones and my restaurant gigs but this is all part of my networking to create more jobs for me.

it really depends on each individual and what they need to get out of their shows.

Part timers and weekend warriors don't need to get as much per gig as they have a day job other then magic( note I did not say they have a "real" job)

for soem one full time every penny is needed to run the biz and pay the bills

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Al, remember that most people here do well over 800 shows a year and are bordering on making a million dollars a year....they don't sweat $20,000 in props a year.
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Sam
How could you forget to include the expense of having a lovely assistant? Everybody knows that you have the biggest act in town. The only act that I can think of around here with a show as big as yours is the Gustafsons. As I said before Sam you are in a class by yourself.
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Someone earlier said that now that he is retired, and doing more shows, he has invested a lot in his show, and it is far better than it was. My experience is the exact opposite.
As a full-time pro for the past fifteen years my show is now far smaller than it ever was. I could replace it all - including the costume and case - for 200 euro. But it is a far better show than I started with.
I try and make sure my costume and props are fresh and sharp, but they cost very little. That is because I am selling me, and not magic. There are plenty of magicians in my market, but only one me. I don't need backdrops or colourful props, because I am selling laughter and entertainment, not architecture.
Costumes and presentation are where I invest - and the financial cost is slight.
I realise this is a personal approach, but you really don't need to spend to be good. Just look at Billy Connelly.
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