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DrVG Veteran user 306 Posts 
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Chris Capehart in kidding around has a nice routine for kid that could be adapted as a sucker comedy routine for adults.
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David Todd Inner circle 2857 Posts
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Interesting how some of these old threads come back to life years later.
So reading through it I thought I would post the actual link to the routine with ropes and a change bag that Ian was referring to above (I found that the original link doesn't work, but was able to locate it on his YouTube Channel, which is still there , despite Ian having passed away in 2013.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi9LMKq7tp8 I really like the subtly of what he does with the change bag. In the volunteer assistant's mind she never let go of those ropes. Quote: On Aug 18, 2010, magicians wrote: |
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David Todd Inner circle 2857 Posts
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On Aug 18, 2010, funsway wrote: Yes, I like that idea when using one of the draw-string("tote bag")style change bags , but even with the traditional style change bag with a handle, I purchased two identical ones (the Bazar de Magia version) and altered one of them so it is ungimmicked and can be used throughout as just a bag that can be casually handled by spectators , then it can be switched for the gaffed bag, and switch it out again as necessary. Using the bag throughout the show as a container to hold other items like ropes, handkerchiefs , balls, etc. that are used to perform with, takes heat off the bag, so then when the bag itself is used to perform an effect it isn't just dragged out of the magician's case for only one effect and then put away again as soon as it's over. Whatever style of bag it is, I think using it as a functional bag throughout the show so the audience is used to seeing it is good because then when you do use the bag to accomplish some magic, it doesn't necessarily draw attention to itself. . |
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smithart Special user Texas 873 Posts
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Don't the spectators think it's a weird item to use? Maybe it's just my background, but I always think of the design in the context of archaic church offering collection bags. I don't think I've seen anything else like it "in the real world."
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David Todd Inner circle 2857 Posts
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On Mar 27, 2025, smithart wrote: No. |
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David Todd Inner circle 2857 Posts
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On Mar 28, 2025, David Todd wrote: Ha-ha . But seriously ... no it probably won't look like something the audience has seen or used "in the real world" (a lot of the younger people in your audience haven't seen or handled dollar and half-dollar coins or playing cards on a regular basis either.) If your criteria is to only perform with objects that audiences are familiar with from the real world then obviously a traditional style change bag with a handle won't fit your show. You could, of course, use one of the drawstring bag style change bags. I don't feel like I need to automatically rule out using odd looking props (Dean's Box or a Demon Wonder Box ... and who carries an egg in a little cloth bag?) or archaic items (like coins and playing cards ). Magic can be odd and archaic. Depends on the type of show and the character you are performing. |
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smithart Special user Texas 873 Posts
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On Mar 28, 2025, David Todd wrote: Thanks, David. You made a lot of good points: * I'm probably biased at this stage in my "career." I used to use more magic-looking props and have been moving away from those. * My resistance isn't consistent. I still use non-real-props that I like. * In the hands of different performers, or for different personas, some things may feel more "normal" than others. (Oddly enough, I think the archaic change bag would probably fit with the current program I am developing.) I would also agree that coins are increasingly archaic, and I'm not sure what (if anything) that means for the future of coin magic. But I'm not sure the same is true for card magic. The concept of cards in general is not foreign to modern generations, and the recurring resurgence of tabletop/board gaming is a tribute to that. Although they may not be as familiar with traditional suits and values, the popularity of casino gambling in movies, television, and real life, also tend to keep them alive. In performing impromptu magic for strangers, I think I've only met a couple that couldn't identify the four suits and their colors. (I'm sure someone has already done a UCAAN - UNO Card At Any Number.) If there's not one already, I think this deserves a topic of its own...
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David Todd Inner circle 2857 Posts
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In performing impromptu magic for strangers, I think I've only met a couple that couldn't identify the four suits and their colors. That's comforting to read. The reason I had mentioned playing cards was because I've read a few discussion topics in recent years where magicians have bemoaned that many of their young adult audiences have shown an inability to name or remember the suits -- hearts , diamonds, clubs, spades -- or to do simple actions like shuffle a deck of cards or when instructed to "cut the cards" seem to be puzzled as to what is being requested of them. Maybe that has been overstated or I attached too much importance to this anecdotal evidence. Hopefully that problem is not wide spread. However, I'm afraid that coins and paper money are definitely on the endangered list, in terms of them being "common everyday items". Trying to borrow a bill for "Bill in Lemon" or "100 Dollar Bill Switch" has become an "iffy" thing. Borrowing a .50 cent piece from an audience member to perform "Coin In The Bottle" is nearly impossible. |
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smithart Special user Texas 873 Posts
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On Mar 29, 2025, David Todd wrote: Yeah, it's increasingly difficult to get a Kennedy half dollar even at a bank. My standard opener is a color-changing deck. As part of the convincer on the original color, I ask the spectator how familiar they are with playing cards. (My stated motivation is that nothing ruins a card effect worse than someone not being able to identify their card.) So I go through the deck with them a couple of times, quizzing and -- when necessary -- correcting them. It gives me an opportunity to both assess and educate them a bit.
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