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On 2010-08-20 09:50, Isaiah wrote:
How??? I am not selling any items I am making them for myself. So are you saying no one has the right to make their own magic items?? BS!!

Sure you can make whatever you want. But, if it is something that someone else has thought of, that is intellectual property. It works that way with music as well. You can play a tune you have heard on your own piano, but when you perform that tune in public ASCAP will want a fee for that as a royalty.
Magnets in rope is generic, magnets in rope used in a clever routine by someone else has performance rights to consider.
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On 2010-08-20 09:50, Isaiah wrote:
How??? I am not selling any items I am making them for myself. So are you saying no one has the right to make their own magic items?? BS!!

Sure you can make whatever you want. But, if it is something that someone else has thought of, that is intellectual property. It works that way with music as well. You can play a tune you have heard on your own piano, but when you perform that tune in public ASCAP will want a fee for that as a royalty.
Magnets in rope is generic, magnets in rope used in a clever routine by someone else has performance rights to consider.


Exactly. When one buys an illusion from a builder such as Owen Redwine, Jim Steinmeyer or Bill Smith, you are also paying for the right to perform that illusion. When you sell that illusion off to someone else, the price includes the rights to perform that illusion.
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Has anybody watched Tenyo's DVD 4Nightmares?
He shows how to make magnetic ropes.
I haven't watched the whole DVD yet, so I do not know if
he credits anybody at the end.

edit: just fast forwarded to the end and he only says thanks to SEO Magic
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I was wrong he does not show how to make the ropes,
jut says they are included. One could make these easy. Why? Easier to buy them already made imo. just good biz practice.

I was looking at the sales pages for this DVD I purchased and it says

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The original idea comes from Mr. Suzuki.

Comes with very-well made ropes and instructional DVD, exclusively available from SEO MAGIC!


So who actually owns the intellectual property rights to magnetic ropes like this?
Wouldn't copyright laws come into play here, patents, etc...
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First of all, I do endorse and support all magic creators, and I recommend that we all support them by purchasing their creations and specifically never purchasing any unauthorized copies.

That said, regarding the "copyright" of magnets in ropes, there is no such thing. Unless there is a valid patent on a given, detailed product then there are no ownership rights. Performances can certainly be copyright but not the props used in the performances, again, unless there are patents - or in some cases trademarks - in place. Trademarks however would primarily pertain to legal logos and the like and not necessarily the props themselves. I understand that some seem to think there are copyrights on such items, and some think they own such rights. Unfortunately - for them, anyway - this is not so.

BTW, I'm not a lawyer. (But I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once!)

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As far as I know, E.J Moore was responsible for Linking ropes effect which used the magnets for the routine. Hen Fetsch had quadroplets (very similar rope to 4 nightmares). There is a nice video clip out there on how to make them, it was in a post on magnets and rope a few years ago.
Routines are copyright, inventions are owned and patented, these small magic items are derived from old secret manuscripts that eventually found itself into main stream magic. The patent process is just too expensive to protect such a simple thing.
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http://escamoteur.de/wordpress/index.php......g-ropes/

This is one way, not a flush joint.
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I would suggest "braco's miracle rope gimmick". It is a "magic combination" of all these gimmicks and gives you a lot of possibilities.
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Thanks Magic Ian for that info. I too believe that we should buy from the originator when ever possible. I bought Pavel's DVD in good faith that he would show how to make the rope magnets, so I feel that I have the right to make my own and not take away from the originator. If he kept it vague to discourage others to make it, then I don't understand why he included it in the DVD in the first place. I like Pavel and I don't think he intentially did that. He was a very nice man and as stated, we use to write to each other. Because of his accent, it he is difficult to understand.

But, being that Pavel is no longer with us, it would be difficult for him to make the prop anymore. Besides, with the different routines that you can do with the magnets, it is best to custom make your own to suit what you want. Also, I would hate to trim any of the rope magnets I do have. They are a work of art. I would rather make my own than do that.
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I believe I have two of the inserts to make these. I won't use them, as I have a set of linking ropes already. If it's not the magnets I have, then it is the barrel screw type.

If anyone is interested, I'd be willing to sell them.

PM me.
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Hmm.. Magnet just popped out of one end of my Linking Rope set. Three weeks old! I could try to glue it back in but I don’t think it will stay very well now that it seems to have loosened up. Guess I could cut that end off and start with a fresh end; not sure it is worth it though. So the Linking Ropes are fairly inexpensive, but at the same time not very sturdy it seems.

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Does your magnet have a hole or loop on the end that goes into the rope? If it does, try gluing it, then sewing a thread through the loop/hole. That will secure it.
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I believe I have two of the inserts to make these. I won't use them, as I have a set of linking ropes already. If it's not the magnets I have, then it is the barrel screw type.

If anyone is interested, I'd be willing to sell them.

PM me.



I just checked...mine are the barrel screw type. I have two, brand new/never used (although one package IS open so I could look to see if it was something I could use).

PM if interested in them.
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Hmm.. Magnet just popped out of one end of my Linking Rope set. Three weeks old! I could try to glue it back in but I don’t think it will stay very well now that it seems to have loosened up. Guess I could cut that end off and start with a fresh end; not sure it is worth it though. So the Linking Ropes are fairly inexpensive, but at the same time not very sturdy it seems.

Jim

How about the second set I sent you?

I have had a few sets come apart (due to the rough handling in the Dances routine.
The only success I have had in repairing it, is to put a screw into the hole, then re-glue the magnet after that.

It makes the magnet and screw bond and the screw anchors the piece.

The barrel connectors are not suitable for linking ropes.
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On 2011-07-04 08:47, magicians wrote:

How about the second set I sent you?


Hi Ian. I haven't opened the set from you yet. The set that lost the magnet is the one that came packaged with your DVD, "Dances with Ropes". (Which is fantastic, BYW!)

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I have had a few sets come apart (due to the rough handling in the Dances routine.
The only success I have had in repairing it, is to put a screw into the hole, then re-glue the magnet after that.

It makes the magnet and screw bond and the screw anchors the piece.

The barrel connectors are not suitable for linking ropes.


Maybe I'll give the screw repair a try. I was going to just snip the end off where the magnet came out and try gluing the magnet into a newly created opening. I will give the screw a try first.

What surprised me is that I have only practiced with this set maybe a dozen and a half times over the less than four weeks I have had it. And the magnets seem to be well-attached. I gotta say, though: surprised the heck out of me when after separating the loops the gimmicked rope was left just hanging loose! I didn't notice it when it came out but when I went to continue and saw that I was only holding one end!

The only reason I mentioned the magnet coming loose is to emphasize that maybe knowing how to insert magnets into your ropes (by watching that video linked above) is a very good idea, just for times when something like this occurs!

Thanks!

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How about the second set I sent you?


Hi Ian. I haven't opened the set from you yet. The set that lost the magnet is the one that came packaged with your DVD, "Dances with Ropes". (Which is fantastic, BYW!)

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I have had a few sets come apart (due to the rough handling in the Dances routine.
The only success I have had in repairing it, is to put a screw into the hole, then re-glue the magnet after that.

It makes the magnet and screw bond and the screw anchors the piece.

The barrel connectors are not suitable for linking ropes.


Maybe I'll give the screw repair a try. I was going to just snip the end off where the magnet came out and try gluing the magnet into a newly created opening. I will give the screw a try first.

What surprised me is that I have only practiced with this set maybe a dozen and a half times over the less than four weeks I have had it. And the magnets seem to be well-attached. I gotta say, though: surprised the heck out of me when after separating the loops the gimmicked rope was left just hanging loose! I didn't notice it when it came out but when I went to continue and saw that I was only holding one end!

The only reason I mentioned the magnet coming loose is to emphasize that maybe knowing how to insert magnets into your ropes (by watching that video linked above) is a very good idea, just for times when something like this occurs!

Thanks!

Jim

The cool thing is, if it happens in a show...you can go into the un-gimmicked version (on the end of the DVD). No-one will be wiser (and you can hand them out.) The routine is very rough on the magnets. During a normal performance, they would never come out.
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How much do you charge for a set of linking ropes? If you are giving me an unbelievable discount PM me. LOL
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To be honest the Linking Ropes sets are priced very decently. I'm not concerned much about the cost of the set; a little more concerned about something like this happening while performing! Don’t know how well I could cover that!

Thanks!

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To be honest the Linking Ropes sets are priced very decently. I'm not concerned much about the cost of the set; a little more concerned about something like this happening while performing! Don’t know how well I could cover that!

Thanks!

Jim

In the thousands of performances I have done, I have had two occasions to have the magnets comes loose. (actually, I used the same set and had forgotten it was loose).
First, they have never come loose during a standard linking ropes routine, only during the acrobatic moves of the Dances with ropes. Second, the nature of linking ropes is that they have no stress factor on the gimmick, so it is highly unlikely to have that happen.
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