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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
Its all very sad and very true.
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Paul Rathbun Inner circle Michigan 2543 Posts |
Alan,
When will this be on your site? Thanks.
https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/9160
Sleightly Better Magic Reviews - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9rkXnNp8CxftN-rxU_WcbQ |
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Nick Sand Veteran user 321 Posts |
Rorrison, at this point you have given be no choice than to go public with all documents of discussions between Wizzard Pk and Jim Rosenbaum.
Both parties clearly stated that are devices where similiar, but had many differences in design and handlings. I find it very funny that you had no problem with me releasing this with Wizard and now that I am not your attacking me. Nick Sand
Real Name: Nicholas Scott Sanderfer. Live in Erlanger Kentucy
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GeneTony Special user 509 Posts |
I'm not taking sides, but Nick, why are you concerned? Alan is releasing his product for free. Not yours. If it is truly different than yours, you have nothing to worry about.
Some think Houdini used trap doors in his act, but he was just going through a stage.
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
Feel Free Nick. I have a copy of all the corrospondance here that ill happily post that will show You acted like a child before and you where given a valid release option where proper credits would be given. You messed that up and that's on your head so ill hapilly shout about it..
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Nick Sand Veteran user 321 Posts |
Hell yes I went off, credit should be given, but no one should profit off work they did not do.
This was stated to me prior my Jim Trainer We will release the ASP as an accessory for the Wizard PK Ring rather than include a ring with it. This covers the bases as far as Rorrison is concerned. Althoug his EMS was not a brilliant release, it was still a similar pull with a PK ring. Therefore we would be in a **** storm if he got on his soapbox on the forums. This would be counter productive to the release and Murphys would not take it on. However as we own the IP and trademarks for Wizard PK Ring and PK Ring where the whole ring is a magnet and JR owns the IP on the Gecko on which the ASP is based, Rorrison has nowhere to go. This was stated to me by Jim Rosenbaum Nick, you can easily trump everything on this device as your design is so much more advanced than the original basic design. MY asp is clearly different than your EMP they are not the same. Similar yes, my creation warrants release. You had something to gain by me releasing with Wizard and now that I am not. You are attacking me out of your on greed and self centeredness. also you along with others are credited for everyones prior works on dvd.
Real Name: Nicholas Scott Sanderfer. Live in Erlanger Kentucy
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DaiMagic New user 52 Posts |
Funny how a "basic design" looks a lot cleaner, perhaps it is technique?
"Any fool can make things complicated. It takes a genius to make then simple." |
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Nick Sand Veteran user 321 Posts |
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On 2011-04-28 14:48, GeneTony wrote: I don't have anything to worry about. Once my orders go out people will see that Rorrison is stretching it here.
Real Name: Nicholas Scott Sanderfer. Live in Erlanger Kentucy
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
Oh context is a wonderful thing. Check below for what I mean by that. I have removed Your email address only and I'm sure jim will happily come in and testify to that. We told you it had been done already. You kicked off. We gave you an option for release where I would not take a penny as a favour to the company who you approached to release it with and you shunned that also then tried to mix a few stories together to suit your own ends. we called you out on it and then you apologised and I quote " I want no problem you, I had the facts wrong and I apologize." Now your digging it all up again and ill happily call you on it. Now I don't mind posting all correspondence I have word for word and I have permission from the other parties involved to do so.
As it stands. You reinvented the wheel and tried to peddle it as your own. You got called on it. And trust me ill shout louder if need be. and if you have nothing to worry about then don't. GOOD CHAT GOOD CHAT "From: Nicholas Sanderfer [mailto:@live.com] Sent: 03 February 2011 18:07 To: alan@alanrorrison.com Subject: RE: Your update I want no problem you, I had the facts wrong and I apologize. > Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 07:47:17 -0600 > From: alan@alanrorrison.com > To: @live.com > Subject: RE: Your update > > Dear Nicholas, > > I have been a party to conversations with Wizard fx and the likes. > Ergo, I know what has been said. Now the avenue you have still stands. > If you take it or not. that's up to you. > > > Alan Rorrison > > Quoting Nicholas Sanderfer <nksand@live.com>: > > > > > Brother I am hearing 3 different storys here, Wizard told me you no > > longer own the ip. Rosenbaum is telling me another.Which I posted a > > talk with you. Some one is giving me false imformation here, and I > > aint saying it is you. > >> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 07:34:33 -0600 > >> From: alan@alanrorrison.com > >> To: @live.com > >> Subject: Your update > >> > >> Dear Nicholas, > >> > >> > >> Sorry I took some time in replying to your rather successive emails > >> but it should be noted that I stay in Scotland, ergo I would have > >> fallen pray to the evils of sleep when you decided to have your semi > >> amusing rant. Now lets lay a few things to rest before we start which > >> should put some things into clear perspective. Me, Myself and I own > >> the ips to both my pulls! Both the raven style and the gum style > >> which both used a pk ring to load. > >> > >> Now ill jump to your last, rather scattered email. I gave wizard fx > >> productions the full go ahead to release the pull as an accessory and > >> only requested a credit for my P.A. On the effect. Not a penny was > >> asked of any one, just a simple kudos in my direction which in my > >> opinion you rather stupidly threw back in there faces for lack of a > >> better term. Now in this mail you state, and I quote ? After do some > >> more review with some very ethical folks I trust.They feel that That > >> Asp is really a different device than, your prior one.? > >> > >> Now ill let the grammar and punctuation go as god knows my own can be > >> bad at times but stating you have ethical people look at something and > >> they agree its different wont really cut it. Lets face it mate, at > >> this point I have had three of the biggest names in magic, all well > >> versed and all respected look at the effect and they know its the > >> exact same as my ip. Now I will state right now that if you want to > >> play the ?my cock is much bigger than yours game? I WILL take this > >> idea to MY ethical folks who I will guarantee will be more endowed to > >> deal with the situation and I will put my own out with them. I will > >> also be as vocal as I normally am in this situation which you should > >> note is not just with my effects. I will happily speak up for any one > >> who is in the right and as you may have already noticed I do not mince > >> my words. On a small side note, this is not a definition of being hot > >> headed! This is not suffering fools gladly and fully understanding > >> your means to the ends. > >> > >> To sum up. The ?asp? is not different from either of my pulls which I > >> own the ip. If need be I will send all details to ? my folks? and by > >> god they can make some noise about these types of things. I will not > >> be giving you any of my hook up details and if any of my work hits any > >> shelf out with the avenue I will be giving you at the end of this > >> email I will make such a noise about it along with my folks that you > >> will hear it for years to come. Now I said I would give you an avenue > >> which is. Apologising for turning down Wizard Fx Productions generous > >> offer, swallowing that lump you mistake for pride and talking to them > >> like a mature adult and I am sure they would consider putting material > >> out with you again. > >> > >> Yours sincerely > >> > >> Alan Rorrison > >> > >> > > > > |
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Nick Sand Veteran user 321 Posts |
From here out I will let the market be the Judge.
I am not going to continue to argue this with you.
Real Name: Nicholas Scott Sanderfer. Live in Erlanger Kentucy
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
Then be forever branded a thief..
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DaiMagic New user 52 Posts |
Ouch, that's some pretty damming evidence there mate and I see no constructive defense from yourself.
What exactly are you letting the market decide? That its a good product or its not your idea? Going by the fact that the majority of the community will not see this thread, you may well make some sales but is it worth the stigma. It will be hard to pick up the pieces once the dominoes start falling. Speaking of falling, historically something comes before it......! Do the right think and swallow yours. |
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Nick Sand Veteran user 321 Posts |
Once my product hits the market folks will see it warrants release.
I have nothing to worry about here. Our designs are different. I use one thief that offers 3 forms of attachment. Also Alan was not the first to use a ring as anchor point for a thief. With mine you must where a jacket. There are clear differences. Also Wizard wanted my Ip for the Asp. Which also proves that The Asp is different from the EMP. Nick Sand
Real Name: Nicholas Scott Sanderfer. Live in Erlanger Kentucy
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
They wanted the ip because I gave them the offer for it. If you gave it you they could have mine. there friends so I would have no issue with them having it. and it ouwld have save you being a child again like now
Stating you need a jacket just proves your re invention is underdeveloped as you asked me for my hook up. U know this is a minor point lol.. enjoy good chat good chat |
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Nick Sand Veteran user 321 Posts |
I never ask you for your hook up. I did state that your affect looked cool and would be interested in working with you in furture as combined effort.
You implied I was after your hook up. By using A jacket the user has complete freedom of movement of the arm and can be setup 20 minutes in advance and not have to reach for the gimmick. Which also makes angle friendly. Nick Sand
Real Name: Nicholas Scott Sanderfer. Live in Erlanger Kentucy
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
This was one of the hook up offered before and a standard hook up lol. Ill dig out the mail where you comment on my hook up. Enjoy
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Nick Sand Veteran user 321 Posts |
There a plenty off devices that use this hook up.
Post em up no where did I ask for your hook ups.
Real Name: Nicholas Scott Sanderfer. Live in Erlanger Kentucy
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
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On 2011-04-28 17:31, Nick Sand wrote: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 21:42:11 -1000 [02/03/2011 01:42:11 AM CDT] From: "Nicholas Sanderfer" <@live.com> To: alan@alanrorrison.com Subject: FW: The Asp One other note, I like how your version works with short sleeves very cool.IF we can get this Ip deal worked out. After the Asp is put out. We could combine our methods for a version 2.In which case your invention would have a second change at life on the market. Then put some money in your pocket. From: @live.com To: alan@alanrorrison.com Subject: The Asp Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:56:26 -1000 To offer to combine you need to ask for the hook up to add to the mix... Defenition is a fine thing. I still have all of these mails mate.. INCLUDING this one "From: @live.com To: alan@alanrorrison.com Subject: The Asp Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:56:26 -1000 Hey Alan, Nick Sand, I thought we ought to talk. At this point wizard and Rosenbaum have dropped out of the project. For starts I am a bloody hothead. From what I have heard you are too lol. I just want you to know that I never saw your device, and that I developed my Asp on my own. I saw proof of your art today and I completely understand where your coming from. I would like to continue the project and release on my own, you would get the credit you deserve for your prior art. The one road block up right now is that you don't on the IP right now. I can't seem to find contact imformation for him. I would like to negotiate with him and come to a royalty agreement or get the rights back. I feel the Asp has something to offer the magic world. I would hate see 4 years of work go to waste. Please message me back with your thoughts." This is before you knew I owned the IP for my pulls... Wow. that's gotta sting good chat good chat |
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Nick Sand Veteran user 321 Posts |
Not really. Your still implying...
I was trying to find a peaceful way to resolve this matter. Wizard would not carry on with the project without my Ip which is why they left. Also because of my fire viper. Nick
Real Name: Nicholas Scott Sanderfer. Live in Erlanger Kentucy
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
Really. I have many an email stating other wise that jim would not mind me posting...
Pride. Swallow it! |
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