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Jonathan O New user 57 Posts |
Thanks to all of you. I'm hoping that I can get both books at the same time. I just need a bit more money. But it would definitely be worth it.
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
In the copy of Revelations it also has an interesting cull in the front part of the book - the Grismer cull. It also has an application idea of how to use the cull in a demonstration.
I hope this helps. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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The Dowser Special user Canada 763 Posts |
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On 2010-09-30 09:39, bishthemagish wrote: Isn't this the same technique we saw from jmstrings when he won that mighty wad at hold'em? The game was so soft that nobody even noticed him shuffling the cards face up... or that the money was printed backwards. |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
As usual I have no idea what your talking about dowser - the grismer cull is a face down cull using the jog shuffle - Marlo's lessin out cull is also a jog shuffle cull that is also face down.
In revelations Vernon also commented on using the jog shuffle face up - I found it interesting. Also I think in the Punch letters there is a face up bridge deal that was a Vernon idea. Perhaps I should assume that you are trying to start some kind of a fight. However from the "practical" standpoint as an artist - I read and then I decide it the technique is going to work for me - Then perhaps I work with it and then let it evolve as I in my own way "move" with the techniques I use in my own performing situation. I hope I answered your question. By the way FYI - Jack Pyle used to once and a while do his bridge deal without the punch deck. I remember a story told to me by Jim Ryan and Bev Bergeron - where they were at a convention and they asked Jack to do his bridge deal - but unknown to Jack - Jim and Bev switched in a different deck. He blew them away. Later on I saw Jack do this to some other magicians in Chicago. It was a cool thing. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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Maitre D Veteran user 339 Posts |
Dowser, I think you're thinking of the Molinari cull.
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
Since the topic is annotated Erdnase and I was talking about revelations. There is some good information on the jog shuffle and culling and stacking in Erdnase.
Keeping in mind the book was published I think around 1902. However in the saloons of the day perhaps the jog shuffle was more acceptable in the card table protocol of the day. I was never really a fan of the Erdnase system - it works but I did not like dealing with the in-jogs and out-jogs. I think the Grismer cull using the jog shuffle is very good as an advancement in culling with the jog shuffle - and there is no in-jogs or out jogs in Ray Grismer's method. I also found that Vernon's comments on the cull - and doing the cull face up very interesting. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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The Dowser Special user Canada 763 Posts |
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On 2010-09-30 12:09, Maitre D wrote: OOPS, escoozy. My bad. Quote:
On 2010-09-30 11:00, bishthemagish wrote: Why would you? Granted: sometimes I think I'm funny when I am not... no reason to think I am starting a fight with you... you simply don't know about or remember the video that I was referring to. |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
The Molinari cull isn't in Erdnase so it has little if anything to do with Erdnase except that it is a jog shuffle cull. In revelations Vernon talked about doing the jog shuffle face up and if I remember right - said something like that few card workers take advantage of this as an idea.
The Grismer cull is a face down cull done with the jog shuffle. However in doing the cull face down - the card worker should know or have some idea where the cards are in the deck. Using a cull with the jog shuffle is a lot like using a second deal. In using the second deal Vernon said something like it is useless unless the card worker knows what the second card is. In the front part of the book there is an application used for the Grismer cull. dowsers asked - why would I? Now that is funny - guess? Just a few more thoughts and opinion - cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
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On 2010-09-30 15:18, bishthemagish wrote: No kidding? |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
I thought I made this point however I guess I have to make it again. In Revelations/Erdnase Dai Vernon talked about culling with the jog shuffle with the deck face up - in the section on jog shuffle - stacking and culling.
The Molinari cull is a face up cull using a jog shuffle however there are no in-jogs or out-jogs in the Molinari cull. And it has little or nothing to do with the Erdnase system - except that it is a jog shuffle cull. The Grismer cull is a face down cull with the jog shuffle and it is in the front part of the book - Revelations/Erdnase. But don't take my word for it - try looking it up. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
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You're debating with yourself again Glenn. I was simply pointing out your statement that the Molinari Cull is not in Erdnase is probably something you really don't want to be saying out loud. ............you know, 1902 and all that "hundred years ago" stuff. |
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Maitre D Veteran user 339 Posts |
The Zarrow shuffle is NOT in Erdnase. I swear.
But don't take my word for it - look it up! Jack Pyle triumph stacking-deep punch thoughts opinion cheers. |
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The Dowser Special user Canada 763 Posts |
Didn't Marlo say that the Zarrow shuffle IS in Erdnase?
Posted: Oct 1, 2010 12:45am O.K... Maybe now I am starting a fight. |
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
The punch-cull is in Erdnase.........he put trainloads of guys to sleep with it.
Why, on the paddle-wheelers if the sound of the mighty Mississippi couldn't lull you to sleep, they asked Erdnase to come on into their staterooms and show them a punch-cull trick or two. And BOOM.....like babies I tell ya' |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
LOL!
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
That Erdnase was ahead of his time.
Cheers! Posted: Oct 1, 2010 9:12am However just to keep the subject on topic my copy of Revelations was published in the year 1984 - I considered the Grismer cull an up to date jog shuffle and an improvement over the old Erdnase system of in-jogs and out-jogs. The table shuffle work in Erdnase is great - however the added chapters on table shuffle work at the end of Revelations I also considered an up-date to what little table shuffle work that was in print at the time. I consider my copy of Revelations 1984 an important work on the subject. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
The newer edition of Revelations (Revelation) is so much more complete than the original version.
With 160 photos of Vernon's own hands that weren't in the 1984 book. And 100 more pages of Vernon's material that the 1984 edition didn't include, including his explanation of Topping the Deck, Scott’s Second Deal and Double Belly Cut, the Ping Pong Shift, The Hop, Kennedy’s Center Deal and more (many of these include photos of Vernon's hands as well). |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
I also liked the book Card Mastery - Mickey McDOUGALL.
This had a front section of more modern card magic and gambling routines and the back part was the Erdnase - Expert at the card table. As with this book as well as the 1984 copy of Revelations - I think that there are some hidden gems in both books. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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magician8 Veteran user 383 Posts |
Glenn have you actually read anything in the last 20 years? because it doesn't look like you have...
I think all the bashing against you is unnecessary, but you need to stop writing about yourself and your work in every single post you write. You're never to old to learn, and there is plenty of good stuff hidden in this very forum. Enjoy learning and stop trying to be the teacher, at least for a while. This post is not meant as an offense at you, although I'm sure you'll take it as such. Think of it only as advice from one student to another. 8 |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
Yes I have read quite a lot over the past 20 years - I think that there is some nice new stuff out there - that I don't feel the need to advertise - I might add - often I have the problem that some of it is just a re-hash of the older stuff.
And there is stuff that I get and I don't like it or I did not learn anything I can use - or there was nothing "new" in it. However I don't feel the need to rip it apart so I just don't talk about it I would rather say nothing. I like the classic's nothing wrong with that but I also like some of the new stuff that has been published over the last 5 - 10 years. I am always adding to my library - however I don't talk much about the new work as I said above. By the way I gave up being a magic teacher last year. That is part of the reason that I don't talk about any new products or published works. Now if your talking about my blog - that has nothing to do with magicians it is written for the lay audience. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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