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Chris Becker
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For as long as you have been doing magic, have you been ok compromising the effect for lack of a method?

Don't you want to perform real magic? Card tricks? Strike vanish? Vernon wand spin? Bobo switch? Or worse (silks, mostly)? I'm so over this. What I envision is incredibly difficult to accomplish, I just have no energy to perform trickery anymore. To fool all magicians!

Who else would do what Christian Bale did in the movie The Prestige? Who would at least build Juan Mayoral's magic wand? Or a select few of Tommy Wonder's pieces, like the card, watch & wallet or the nest of boxes (version 3). A Durania shell.

I'm not just talking practice. I've been practicing finger manipulation for 20 years and there's not much I really cannot do here.

But why can't YOU just close your left hand right now, have a coin materialize in it, and open the hand again. It drives me absolutely crazy... No more funny moves!

Anyone else share that feeling?
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But you can. At least as far as your audience is concerned.
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Hey Chris
I've felt the same thing so I've decided to stock up on wolfs bane and chicken blood.
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Oh God not another one. Conjurers are falling like flies as the delusion of grandeur virus spreads though the land of magic.
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Prestige is just a movie.
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Interesting or funny answers.

Thank you Smile
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The shuttle pass is maybe the only fair thing in magic. People should only be allowed to use the shuttle pass.
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On 2010-08-21 13:28, Chris Becker wrote:
The shuttle pass is maybe the only fair thing in magic. People should only be allowed to use the shuttle pass.


Presto used many other sleights and gaffs and props.
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On 2010-08-21 10:55, Chris Becker wrote:
For as long as you have been doing magic, have you been ok compromising the effect for lack of a method?

Don't you want to perform real magic? Card tricks? Strike vanish? Vernon wand spin? Bobo switch? Or worse (silks, mostly)? I'm so over this. What I envision is incredibly difficult to accomplish, I just have no energy to perform trickery anymore. To fool all magicians!

Who else would do what Christian Bale did in the movie The Prestige? Who would at least build Juan Mayoral's magic wand? Or a select few of Tommy Wonder's pieces, like the card, watch & wallet or the nest of boxes (version 3). A Durania shell.

I'm not just talking practice. I've been practicing finger manipulation for 20 years and there's not much I really cannot do here.

But why can't YOU just close your left hand right now, have a coin materialize in it, and open the hand again. It drives me absolutely crazy... No more funny moves!

Anyone else share that feeling?


It seems as though you're saying some tools are worse than others. Tools are just tools.

What's more, every strategy has its shortcomings. In order for a strategy NOT to have shortcomings, it would have to be real magic. In figuring out how to deal with the shortcomings of some of the tools you're criticizing above, you can learn how to deal with the shortcomings of every strategy.

Why won't I do some of the things you mentioned? Some of them are gaffed to the point of non-examinability by the audience. To me, that's a major problem, especially because I don't want there to be separation between myself and the audience. If you learn the ability to make the sleight-of-hand a non-moment for the spectator, then you're now clean, and the proof of the guile is eradicated.
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Another view might be that pretending to do magic for the benefit of others increases your ability to appreciate magic of a different sort -- "real magic" if you will, found in nature and interactions with others and being open to mysteries without a need for resolution.

Many magicians choose to pretend that "magic" by definitions other than their own does not exist, yet support that magic must occur in the mind of the spectator. Ask a stanger to descrine a "magic" experience and you will find that some fumbled trick by a conjuror is far down the list. When you perform a magic effect well and establish a bonded communication with a spectator you cause him to reflect on all forms of magic in his experience, and though he realizes you are just pretending, he is taken within the joy of previous awe and wonder.

Can you do "real magic?" -- of course.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst

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I share that feeling, Chris. Don't let anyone talk you out of it...
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Well let me try to explain this. You see when you decide to be a magician you also decide to LEARN the art. As you learn more and more the less you are in wonder as to how an effect is done. You basically want to know HOW something is done and then you want to be in wonder when you see it performed. This is but one price we pay to study our art. "With much wisdom comes much sorrow". I am very seldom "tricked" by an effect now a days. But I still enjoy the performance. I used to watch people ride bikes and wonder how they were able to balance themselves on such skinny tires---then I learned to ride a bike. I no longer wondered. It's a trade off. Wonderment for knowledge. Is it worth it? For some yes, for some no.


Good magic to all,


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Eric, it's the difference between being in the audience and being backstage during the show. You choose magic. Now what's left but to bring the best into production and to your audiences? If you want amazement and awe look to nature. Things like gravity. Saying the word does not (as far as has been tried) make things fall up. Funny how we overlook our magical thinking in everyday life. The map is not the terrain. Having a word with which to discuss a model of a thing is not the same as having a word with which to control a thing. Have a look at Gaiman's The Books of Magic for some more fun and perhaps even inspiration.
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Gravity is fascinating indeed. Singe most unexplainable thing in physics, from what I've heard ...

Thanks, funsway, for the thought on asking a stranger about a magical experience. I think this could be a really good test if you are indeed able to create the illusion of magic in their minds. It's hard to imagine he'd answer: "Yeah, so, I put back the card, shuffled the deck, and still it popped back up to the top of the deck. That was the most magical thing I've ever seen." or "Oh my god, he ATE those razor blades! That was the most magical thing I've ever seen." Hm ...

Any ideas what an effect or, maybe(?) more importantly, the method, needs to entail to qualify as the spectator's most magical experience ever?

Chris
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Do Hypnotism Chris.

The closes thing to real Magic there is imho...

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On 2010-08-21 10:55, Chris Becker wrote:

But why can't YOU just close your left hand right now, have a coin materialize in it, and open the hand again. It drives me absolutely crazy... No more funny moves!

Anyone else share that feeling?


It's not about not doing the funny moves. It's more about not doing them when everyone is expecting you would. It's also about which moves you pick and how do you put them together within a routine. How are they structured?
What may help in your situation is to actually be fooled. Re-experience that magic moment as if you were a layman. See a real master at work who leaves you with this long lasting magic experience. What makes it different from the other performances?
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What do you mean by "magical"? What does "most magical experience" mean?
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