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QuailCreek![]() Veteran user McKenna, WA 387 Posts ![]() |
Thanks, Pete.
Man am I learning allot. Tom
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Motor City![]() Special user Metro Detroit Area 564 Posts ![]() |
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On 2010-08-22 19:24, Bill Palmer wrote: Bill are you referring to the Aug., 2010 issue or the July, 2010 issue of Genii? Thanks. John Luka |
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Bill Palmer![]() Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24274 Posts ![]() |
The August issue. Jamy just mentions it in passing, along with his disdain for NLP and a few other things that he considers "unscientific" and "superstitious."
I never cease to be amazed at the depth of his knowledge. ![]() He must be paid by the word, because he certainly uses a lot of them to review a DVD.
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QuailCreek![]() Veteran user McKenna, WA 387 Posts ![]() |
Seth,
Excellent input. I like the idea of the cup ringing when you tap it with a wand. Does the brass make a different sound than the copper? Tom Quote: On 2010-08-24 08:34, sethb wrote:
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Silverthorne |
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Josh Riel![]() Inner circle of hell 1999 Posts ![]() |
I don't get paid to perform magic, so my opinion is just a little less than relevant. However, I will still give it.
I like White balls with a Black mat, assuming I'm using Copper or Wood (Dark) cups. If I'm using Stainless or Aluminum cups I like to use a darker ball (White and black/red/blue usually) I really like a more vibrant ball seeing as that is the magic (Opinions...). I like fairly big and heavy balls, but not too heavy 1 1/4" with a rubber core is nice for me. Not popular and way too much of a pain to make very many. Anyway, there is my opinion (It is an opinion that I've reached with the thinking of some other magicians, but nonetheless it is mine now.) as far as the right/left brain thing, I'm happy if I can get any of my brain to work, I don't dare ask where it lives.
Magic is doing improbable things with odd items that, under normal circumstances, would be unnessecary and quite often undesirable.
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QuailCreek![]() Veteran user McKenna, WA 387 Posts ![]() |
Thanks Josh,
I really didn't think about the weight of the balls. I was only concerned with the size. Something that will be easy to play with as the balls are the cheaper part of the setup. Thanks again, Tom Quote: On 2010-08-24 16:58, Josh Riel wrote:
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sethb![]() Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2700 Posts ![]() |
[quote] On 2010-08-24, QuailCreek wrote: I like the idea of the cup ringing when you tap it with a wand. Does the brass make a different sound than the copper? [quote]
I only own the brass cups, so I can't say what sort of sound the copper cups make, but I'm sure other folks will chime in on this (no pun intended). Tapping and ringing the cups with the wand helps to produce that "magic moment" when the balls supposedly appear and disappear. If you're pitching, the noise also helps to attract more people who are curious to find out what all the noise and fuss is about. BTW, I use a cheap $2 plastic 11" wand for closeup and a 13" plastic one for parlour-type venues. They both look fine, do the job in the misdirection department, and most importantly, don't put any dents in my brass cups. It's too light for a Vernon Wand Spin, but I could never master that move anyway! SETH
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"The better you are, the closer they watch" -- Darwin Ortiz, STRONG MAGIC |
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QuailCreek![]() Veteran user McKenna, WA 387 Posts ![]() |
So after reading through the thread again here’s what I’m leaning towards.
First I’ll be doing my routine standing. I’m thinking that as long as the cups will handle a tennis ball size final load I’m good and 1” balls are a good place to start. As far as the cups. I’m thinking the Mendoza Combo Cups |Copper |Mirror Finish from RNT. Always good to support the com Donny, if you would PM me with what you would suggest I would be grateful. Here’s what I'm going to pick u-p as far as DVDs. Maybe Bill can suggest some books. Cups & Balls - A Practical Approach - by Bob White $37.46 Cups & Balls - The Greater Magic Video Library Teach-in Sessions $22.46 Elegant Cups and Balls - by Rafael Benatar $26.21 Worlds Greatest Magic - The Fabulous Three Ball Routine $15.00 I also like the Ricky Jay C&B routine. The routine doesn’t look like it's all that tricky but the story and the kicker ending is pretty cool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgm4wZCACYg Tom
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walid ahumada![]() Special user sinaloa, mexico 892 Posts ![]() |
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On 2010-08-23 22:53, Bill Palmer wrote: besides that, the set also included an interesting chop wand idea ,the floating wand gimmick and a DVD.
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sethb![]() Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2700 Posts ![]() |
I think the "Three Ball Routine" is not a C&B effect, it is just three balls in the hands and pocket. A great classic, but not a C&B effect. Were you thinking of making it part of a C&B routine? Now there's an interesting idea!
The Greater Magic Teach-In has one segment by Mike Rogers that is worth the price of the video, in my opinion. I learned how to use a box servante and polished up my final load technique at the same time, then made my own variation using a tabled sign. An idea worth considering if you're doing a stand-up routine -- no pocket loads, and hardly any bad angles! Also, be creative and try to think outside the box for your routine. Many C&B routines start off with one-ball appearances or transportations and then build to a 2-0-2 move or a "three in the middle" climax before the final loads. That's logical and a standard way to go. But someone here at the Café' constructed a routine that began with a three-to-one move. What a great idea, and a great way to immediately grab the specs' attention and show that you know what you are doing! SETH
"Watch the Professor!!" -- Al Flosso (1895-1976)
"The better you are, the closer they watch" -- Darwin Ortiz, STRONG MAGIC |
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Donnie Buckley![]() V.I.P. Cleveland, Ohio 1123 Posts ![]() |
Hiya Quail,
The Mendoza Combo cups are a might fine combo cup, no doubt, they have served me well for a long time, but these days I'm totally enamored with the Foxy 3 Combo Cups. They don't look BIG, but they feel BIG. Their shape and proportions makes several moves easier to accomplish. For instance, if you do a Tip-Off move, the mouth bead of the top cup "clears" the saddle of the bottom cup without lifting up the cup. That single proportional design makes a world of difference to me. It may not make that big of a difference to others though. It depends upon what you want to do with the cups... Also, if you need to work with big honkin' 1 1/8" balls, you need to go with Mendozas. They have a lot of attic space. Since you are leaning towards 1" balls, the Foxy 3 Combos are going to just be perfect. Both cups accomodate a tennis ball final load, but the Foxy 3 looks like it won't. I have plenty of both in stock, it makes no difference to me which you choose, but if I was planning a purchase of a full sized Combo Cup set TODAY, I'd be getting the brand new Foxy 3 Combos. You get 20% off the balls of your choice with a cup purchase and I have that Rafael Benatar DVD in stock too. I'll PM you with some extras... Sorry for the shameful self-promotion guys. I really try to stay out of these discussions on "cup suggestions" but it's hard - I'm a magician first, and a vendor second. ![]()
Learn the form, but seek the formless. Learn it all, then forget it all. Learn the way, then find your own way. Rings-N-Things
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conjurormatt![]() Regular user Ft. Worth, TX 181 Posts ![]() |
Sethb You should look up a manuscript called Stinger (It's on Lybrary.com). It's a very unique routine for cups and balls, and does indeed include the three ball routine with the C&B.
Another C&B video to consider (and one strongly recommended to me by Denny Haney) is: The Tapestry of Deception part 4 "The Evolution of a Classic" by Michael Vincent. To get an idea of his routine, check out this link, there is some very slick use of a combo set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MSKFJtaS5k&feature=related Cheers! Matthew Martin
Matthew Martin
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Dougini![]() Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 6859 Posts ![]() |
Matthew, that IS impressive. Slow and easy. I like it!
Thanks! Doug |
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conjurormatt![]() Regular user Ft. Worth, TX 181 Posts ![]() |
Your Welcome Doug, Oh, one minor typo. The e-book is called The Sting, not Stinger; it's by R. Shane.
Matthew Martin
"Merely to be acquainted with the basic secret of a card trick, in no way qualifies you to perform it. Few people realize that even a simple trick in the hands of a capable performer can become a minor miracle." ~Dai Vernon |
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yin_howe![]() Special user Malaysia 831 Posts ![]() |
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On 2010-08-24 17:51, sethb wrote: Not really. Although I'm just a hobbyest, but I use a cheap plastic wand and do the Vernon Wand spin vanish, it's just a matter of practise. but a wand with a little weight to it does make it slightly easier to learn due to the momentum.
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QuailCreek![]() Veteran user McKenna, WA 387 Posts ![]() |
Seth,
The three ball routine was a suggestion from one of the posts on this thread as a way to learn better how to handle balls. I just think that sounded like a good idea. Tom Posted: Aug 25, 2010 1:35am Donnie, I asked your opinion so no self-promotion on your part. We all want to do our small part to support those who support the Café'. Thanks, Tom
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sethb![]() Inner circle The Jersey Shore 2700 Posts ![]() |
Tom -- Now you can see why the Cups & Balls has survived for hundreds, if not thousands of years: it's a great and very versatile trick!
Have fun with it, and please let us know how and what you're doing. SETH
"Watch the Professor!!" -- Al Flosso (1895-1976)
"The better you are, the closer they watch" -- Darwin Ortiz, STRONG MAGIC |
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Dougini![]() Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 6859 Posts ![]() |
QuailCreek,
I like that Ricky Jay routine. That's an example of an original routine. Have you decided on your cups? I've been a few places on the 'net, and can't find a nicer set than RNTII. Mendoza Combo Cups/Copper/Mirror Finish, yes. If you can afford them, that's the set to buy. And, I appreciate everyone's video additions as well. Wow, what an education on the Cups & Balls. For beginners on a budget, I have to say, $26 ain't bad for a nice set, at Morrissey Magic. These are the ones I had for many years (scroll all the way to the bottom, "Cups & Balls Combination-Large Size Aluminum" - $42.00): http://www.morrisseymagic.com/morrissey_......nd+balls Again, just for beginners on a tight budget. You might want to ask about the correct size of ball you need for those cups (3/4 inch, and 1 inch). You'll find what you need. Again, if it were me, I'd go with RNTII. Save your money. Get the BEST. Donnie will hook you up. Doug |
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Woland![]() Special user 680 Posts ![]() |
For an example of an elegant "three ball" routine that uses a single cup, one might consider Sr. Rene Lavand's magisterial performance, which has been posted in this forum before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqzkGEvOOTc A nice primer on the basic two-in-the-hand, one-in-the-pocket concept and routine can be found in the Lewis Ganson Teach-In that is available as an e-book from lybrary.com. Woland |
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QuailCreek![]() Veteran user McKenna, WA 387 Posts ![]() |
Hi Doug,
Thank you for the input. The price isn't that much of an issue. I really just want to make the good choice and then move on from there. Although I'm beginning to see what everybody's been talking about. There are a whole lot of cups out there and they are pretty nice looking. I might end up with several sets in order to make a final decision. Oh well... ;-) Tom Quote:
On 2010-08-26 10:15, Dougini wrote: And the technique is easy to understand and fairly simple to perform, at least the basics. You can go in so many different directions too. Quote: On 2010-08-25 08:05, sethb wrote:
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