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I am intrigued by effects in which an object is in full view but not seen because of "directed attention" elsewhere such as some C&B routines where the last ball in already on top of the last cup. Last night I did a performance at the local Magic Circle in which an object was hanging on a necklace around my neck for several minutes unknoticed until I vanished a duplicate and went looking.

Please add any other effects that use this principle.
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There are some is a bold faced moves in card magic, is that the sort of thing you mean Ken?
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There's a very strange trick that uses this phenomenon where someone deals down the cards looking for theirs and the deck changes color. Sorry I don't know the citation.
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When I do CMH, and stargazer together there is a very predictible several second after I do CMH where they take their eyes off of my hands, so I casually switch rubber bands in front of them before I change it to a star shaped rubber band. I have done this move thousands of times, and I never got caught yet.
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JT, I saw Lance Burton do that trick on T.V. a while back.
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On 2010-08-27 21:55, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
There's a very strange trick that uses this phenomenon where someone deals down the cards looking for theirs and the deck changes color. Sorry I don't know the citation.


I remember this, too. It was freaky to get caught by it.

I used to plant the last coin of a coins across routine with the first three on the table just as I began the vanish of that last coin.

I used to do the same with a single coin and a purse frame. That was probably inspired by Goshman's salt and pepper shakers... another great example of this principle, when he loads the big coin.

Card under drink may come close to this, as well. Same with card on forehead, in close-up work (not the same as Michael Finney's, where everyone sees except the one guy onstage).

In some book (maybe Sawa's?) Ton Onasaka is in the photo and a lemon is being loaded right under the spectator's nose.

Tommy Wonder does something like this, maybe with an egg?

Leaving a coin on a spectator's shoulder may fall into this category, too.
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Shoot Ogawa has a coin routine that takes place in a spectator's hand, where the last coin ends up on the spectator's wrist without them noticing.
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I heard from a friend that anecdotal evidence is actually quite reliable.
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These effects are based on a psychological phenomenon known as inattentional blindness. The major researchers in this are Daniel Simons of University of Illinois and Christopher Chabris of Harvard University.

The most well-known illustration of this research is the selective attention (g*****a) video. If you haven't seen this, you're in for a treat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo

Christopher Chabris and Daniel Simons have a recent book all about this phenomenon - a must read for magicians!

http://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Gorilla-......2&sr=8-1


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Jonathan, Perhaps you are referring to 'Seeing and Believing' by Peter Lamont and Richard Wiseman. The principle is similar to Charlie Miller's face up bottom deal described in a lovely little booklet 'An Evening with Charlie Miller'.

As far as open loads are concerned, first thing that comes to mind are multi-phase card under glass routines. Coin routines in which a final coin is on the table while everyone is looking for it to be produced at the finger tips.

Charlie Caper does a lovely phase with a bowtie in his silent act. I doubt this idea is published, but it's a must see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU7RToLt21Q
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"inattentional blindness" -- from what I have been able to read so far, this is related to things in motion because the mind uses a "look ahead" or "predictive" process to create an image based on partial information -- and can therefore be fooled. That concept applies here, and I use it in several of my Sway Sleights.

Yet, other effects like some mentioned above do not have the object in motion, but possib le do require having motion of thr hands and body as distracting elements. I am wondering if motion is a necessary element to sustaining the spectator's atttention away from the desired spot, or if some other psychological/physiological process comes into play.

I suddenly recall articles about witnessess who did not see certain events because they were conditioned not too by early parental conditioning, e.g. not looking at certain parts of a person's anatomy. So, is it possible that whebn the spectator beleives you have only one ball (or all are accounted for) and they see a ball at you fingertips, that they are incapable of perceiving another ball as existing on top of the cup? The "see" it, but do not process the information.
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It does not have to be things in motion - it is more to do with where attention is focussed. Basically we often do not see things if our attention is focussed elsewhere (as in the g*****a video) - even if we are looking RIGHT AT IT! This is, of course, exactly the principle behind misdirection.

There is a related phenomenon called "change blindness" - if a scene we are looking at changes very gradually, we do not notice the change even if the scene at the end of the change is VERY different from that at the beginning.

There are some interesting video demonstrations of this and other inattentional blindness effects at Daniel Simons website

http://viscog.beckman.illinois.edu/djs_lab/demos.html

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On 2010-08-28 07:21, Michael Daniels wrote:

There is a related phenomenon called "change blindness" - if a scene we are looking at changes very gradually, we do not notice the change even if the scene at the end of the change is VERY different from that at the beginning.



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Speaking to the original question, Tommy Wonder’s Cups and Balls routine using the blue “Pom Pom” might qualify.
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Tommy Wonder’s Cups and Balls routine using the blue “Pom Pom” might qualify.

He also uses it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdjEphrI43s&feature=related
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The most blatant misdirection I think I've ever seen is in the silent film "The Golem" with Paul Wegener. The rabbi has a large clay statue that he moves into place, then steps to the foreground. We can still see the statue in the background, but we don't bother to look at it, as the rabbi is engaged in more interesting alchemical action closer to the camera. During this time, the crew hauls out the statue and Wegener, in the same makeup and costuming, steps into place...all on camera.

And nobody notices.

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Servante, folks, how about his opening for a trick where the egg appears on the table? Smile
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Best example that comes to my mind is Dean Dills "Blizzard." Best psychological full deck sw***h ever created. And right there in FULL VIEW, under their very noses.
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There are also instances where objects like bottles are stolen directly off the table.

Most of the examples here are from the close-up arenas, but I just thought about Blackstone's version of "Where Do the Ducks Go?" This is a brilliant bit done in full view.
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On 2010-08-31 01:12, Michael Baker wrote:
There are also instances where objects like bottles are stolen directly off the table.

Most of the examples here are from the close-up arenas, but I just thought about Blackstone's version of "Where Do the Ducks Go?" This is a brilliant bit done in full view.


Kind of brings to mind the phrase "The Glory of magic" Not to sound corny, but it's pretty cool when you can pull something off right under their noses in full view and they don't even see it.

Makes you feel good inside!
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