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ArtIn
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Before someone starts to flick a coin like a machine gun.
Have a look at Sleeveless sleeving by Johan Ståhl or the Art of Sleeving by Alexander De Cova.
Very nice techniques and a great addition for sleeve star!
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Thanks ArtIn, you've helped me pinpoint where I learned the snapping technique for sleeving coins from Smile

It's on the old Justin Miller DVD, Silver Dreams. Regardless of what one may think about Justin Miller on a personal level, the man does have excellent technique. The technique isn't his though, I think it was Alexander De Cova's and originally taught in the Art of Sleeving DVD. This is much preferred over the wrist flicking variety of sleeving though I don't recommend using the snapping technique with rings (you end up hitting it at a weird angle sometimes and send the ring flying elsewhere). Small candies and coins are perfect with the snapping technique though and it looks much much better.
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All thr sleeving tech you need to use sleeve star is on the sleeve star dvd. It is very thorough
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Yes indeed Alan, the techniques are sufficiently there and well explained.
Yetthey are hard to compare with Sleevless Sleeving or the Art of Sleeving.
that's a whole DVD each, just explaining techniques and misdirection.
The wall practicing tip is just gold. Or the tip to move your hand forward while sleeving. Sleeve star handled three techniques in 10 minutes?
It's ok by all respect.
But the ones I am referring to here are unique and worth a try.

The Art of Sleeving gives you the ability to leave your forefinger motionless and teaches good misdirection. De Covas technique also has the power you need for a nice straight shot.

Stahl is just amazing, he simply sleeves "without" sleeves. Smile
A friend performed this for me two days ago. It looks fantastic and very magical.
Hey it's also very exciting to see Rick Merrill performing his act.

Just additional thoughts.

kissdadookie I will have a look at silver dreams, thx for mentioning this source.

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Ooh by all means look into other sleeving tech. Im just letting folks know that you get all you need to use sleeve star with sleeve star. Of course there is no harm in looking into it more to try and better ur effects
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Very often Penguin Magic sends out an email about the latest effect, and at times they just throw in something that may not be all that new as do most online magic dealers. I looked up “Sleeveless Sleeving” by Johan Stahl on Google and came across a demo of it and immediately recognized it as something that Penguin promoted sometime ago. Simply amazing to say the least! The same goes for “Vanishing Techniques” by Alexander DeCova as there was also a short demo of it on YouTube.

I used to frequent Magic Inc. in Chicago every chance I got and at that time period in my life it was almost like a second home. Magicians were always demonstrating one thing or another and I remember one in particular although I don’t know his name. This had to be sometime around 1984 or 85 as I recall. Anyway, he was demonstrating his sleeving abilities and it was simply fantastic! Even though you knew that he was sleeving it was still impossible to catch it. I think I’ll most definitely pick up “Vanishing Techniques” by Alexander DeCova and possibly “Sleeveless Sleeving” by Johan Stahl. Hey, if you can learn how to sleeve something with your sleeves rolled up you can certainly sleeve something when they are down! Maybe this ‘ol dog can learn something that he has never bothered with before.
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I have just installed and started using the Sleeve Star. I think this is one of the best utilities. I have just come up with the perfect ending to coinvexed.. I have always wondered what could be done with the other coin. Bend it? Well they've seen that, how about teleport it from one hand to the other... Job done... Well done David Jay and the World Magic boys!
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But could it not possibly reduce the clean and straight strongness of coinvexed?
I mean the effect itself is so strong. They choose which coin and bang.
Spectators usually are so stunned when they notice what have happened to them.
I just imagine it could be a anticlimax to vanish the second coin afterwards?!?
I have to admit that for me personaly coinvexed is more kind of mentalism.
But everybody likes to eat different food, right? why not..
Have fun with it. Just my two cents.

I thought about the following presentation.
Maybe you can sell it as a hypnotic effect / a precipitated "shut down process of human awareness".
Imagine this: You have a friend(stooge) which is filming you secretly with his mobile phone. (at the beginning of the routine). He film you while you just (secretly for your spectators but obvious for the camera) put the coin from one hand into the other. Now that's the only scene which is needed for the effect.
Then you tell your spectators that you will shut down there awareness for a few seconds. You ask them to focus on your forefinger and tell them your favorite suggestion. You then ask your stooge if he has a mobile phone.
He should record the next seconds of your motions for you. You can even demonstrate to him how to hold the camera etc Smile Then you just perform the teleportation effect.
You can ask them if anything has happened yet. You open your hand behind your back and booom... At this moment you remind them of your suggestion. A few seconds of there memory must be missing. (With some imagination you can even use a watch to demonstrate it...) You can also tell them (if you perform it for more than 2 people) "if any of you saw what really has happened, please keep it for yourself for now. For those who have missed it - have a look at the mobile phone."

just a quick thought...

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Martin
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Probably a stupid question, but your other hand doesn't have to be behind your back, right? I got to looking at my regular long sleeve shirts and the openings don't seem to be big enough to sleeve as compared to wearing a sports jacket. maybe I need to buy ones with big sleeve holes? if that makes sense lol
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You should ask kissdadookie. He's pretty much the expert on this device.
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On 2010-10-16 19:19, lunatik wrote:
Probably a stupid question, but your other hand doesn't have to be behind your back, right? I got to looking at my regular long sleeve shirts and the openings don't seem to be big enough to sleeve as compared to wearing a sports jacket. maybe I need to buy ones with big sleeve holes? if that makes sense lol
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
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It makes sense.
The smaller the hole the better your technique have to be.
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ArtIn you are right.... Coinvexed and Sleeve Star are two very powerful effects and should be treated as such. I am re-thinking my routining and will come up with something, but thanks for your little routine, there is certainly food for thought.
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I am very interested in buying this but I still have the same question than lunatik. Can you also perform this effect with your other hand infront of you or it has to be always in the back?

This is an expensive trick for me to buy, so I really want to make sure it does what I want before I spend my savings .

I hope someone can help me without giving to much away.

Thanks a lot
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You can modify the routine to have the other hand out front too.
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Is there anyone using "Sleeve Star" that is having difficulty getting the coin/object to travel into the gimmick?
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Afuoco,

I find that it works better with the entry-point area being of the not very fashion-fit variety (it needs some clearance if that makes sense).
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It does make sense. I'm using a tank top underneath and still having trouble. I'll keep practicing.It maybe just me.
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I have the DVD and device; here's a few answers to some questions on this thread -

Q. Do you have to have one hand behind your back for the coin teleportation?
A. No, but...! The 'receiving' hand cannot be 'out front' the whole time, at least if you follow the directions on the DVD. David Jay suggests that his presentation makes the effect more powerful and, from reactions I've had, I agree. Having only one hand to watch makes it simpler for the audience, and then slowly turning around and opening the other hand makes for an awesome reveal.

Q. Does David teach sleeving on the DVD?
A. Yes - briefly, but well. The video is an hour and 20 minutes, ish. Ten minutes or so covers sleeving techniques. David demonstrates three techniques, each useful in different circumstances. For me the real value was in seeing the techniques done so well - I would've liked at least half an hour on technique, since David's technique is so clean and polished. Some elaboration on his thoughts on timing and misdirection would have been good too. Still, the DVD covers some technique. Be warned; practice is needed, and there are subtleties beyond what's on the DVD.

Q. What else is on the DVD?
A. (Roughly) 40 minutes explaining and installing the gimmick. 10 minutes on sleeving. 30 minutes on routines. Like I said, I'd have preferred at least half an hour of David talking about technique, since he's incredibly good, and that would've boosted the value of this tremendously.

Q. Will it work with a playing card folded into four?
A. Probably not. You could put a clip on the card to make it more weighty and compact, and then it might work. I tried a few times and it wasn't working for me. Maybe with lots of practice you could do it.

Q. Will it work with a ball/ring/wand/anvil/helicopter?
A. The object needs to be sleevable. If it's sleevable, then it'll probably work. Coins, balls and rings - yes, depending on size. Jumbo coins no. Small balls yes. Tennis balls no. Wands probably not; maybe a small one. Anvils no. Helicopters no.

Q. Does the gimmick have to be reset?
A. No. Once installed, you can use it as many times as you like, in front of the audience. No reset.

Q. Can you describe the gimmick?
A. No. Buy one.

Q. Is Craig annoying?
A. Yes Smile
He's also necessary - he stresses the points that you need to know about; it's clear that David's been doing this so long that he takes some stuff for granted, so it's important for Craig to be there to slow things down a little, and stress the things that you might otherwise miss.
There's a beautiful moment in the explanation of one of the routines when I realized that David had already sleeved and retrieved a coin maybe three times in a row, and I hadn't seen a thing. He could've just been holding the coin in his hand the whole time. Kind of like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgtgOs_OkTU
That's why Craig is needed. And he does a good job, I just wish he'd been a little more respectful of David's skill, and given David the space to do his thing...

Q. Is David Jay awesome?
A. More awesome than an Ewok punk band.

Q. Anything else? Should I buy it?
A. It allows some uniquely powerful effects; signed coins across, signed coin to envelope and so on - in an extremely clean fashion.
It's great for personalized objects like signed coins and rings.
There is a 'coins across' refinement that allows the last coin to travel 'invisibly to the spectator's hand', which is excellent.
The gimmick has several uses; for instance you can use it in a 'storage mode' to store an object for later retrieval.

All in all, worth the money.

Now, a David Jay book or DVD on sleeving - that would be an essential purchase.
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On 2010-11-02 11:17, volto wrote:
Now, a David Jay book or DVD on sleeving - that would be an essential purchase.


As someone who has been sleeving for longer than I care to remember, I have to say his technique is a bit ham-fisted. (In my opinion. Don't argue with me on this. It's just what I think.)

Secondly, after knowing how the gimmick works and watching one of the demo's again, I think there were shenanigans at play. There are tell-tale signs of sleeving and around 1:03 he appears to be "catching" something in his right hand before the coin is vanished in the left. This leads me to believe they FAKED this demo by using dupe coins. Take a look. Tell me what you think.

I'm liking Craig Petty less and less the more I see of him.
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On 2010-11-02 11:17, volto wrote:
Now, a David Jay book or DVD on sleeving - that would be an essential purchase.


As someone who has been sleeving for longer than I care to remember, I have to say his technique is a bit ham-fisted. (In my opinion. Don't argue with me on this. It's just what I think.)

Secondly, after knowing how the gimmick works and watching one of the demo's again, I think there were shenanigans at play. There are tell-tale signs of sleeving and around 1:03 he appears to be "catching" something in his right hand before the coin is vanished in the left. This leads me to believe they FAKED this demo by using dupe coins. Take a look. Tell me what you think.

I'm liking Craig Petty less and less the more I see of him.


Hi Stucky,
Craig Petty is really starting to get to me as well. He parked in my parking space today at the shop and I discovered that he had finished off the last of the milk before heading out to the gym. No Crunchy Nut Cornflakes for me today.

Thanks for your other comments. I am not qualified enough on the art of sleeving like yourself to really give an opinion on David’s technique. All I can say is that when you see it in the real world it looks amazing.

David was a real highlight at the LADs convention for me and he also addressed the accusations of duplicate coins. I can assure you that this was not the case and if you see David live he will reassure you also.

All the very best
David
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