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Odilon
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I'm considering buying a Nielsen's vanishing bottle.
My magic shop has the beer bottle, the empty 33cl coke bottle and the full 33cl coke bottle.
Which one do you suggest me? I'm asking this because I would prefer the full coke bottle but I'm afraid that it would be noticeable that's not a real bottle (no moving coke inside)

Also, can you tell me if the trick can be done close up or a minimal distance is needed?
Is it possible to "vanish" the bottle and keep the "empty" lunchbag in my coat pocket for the rest of the show?

Thanks in advice.
Bill Hegbli
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The Nielsen Bottles are not close up tricks. They do require a little distance from the audience. Not for realistic looking bottles, but for performance. After the vanish, throw the sack in a container like a dump box or the rear of a magic table or the case you are working your effects out of during the show.

What you get depends on your age, if you are of drinking age, 21 years old or older, then using beer bottle is okay. Other wish the coke bottle is recommended.

As for the movable liquid, it is not displayed long enough for anyone to notice really. Get the "Bottle Book" for additional routines you can do with these props.
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If you just make it vanish there is less mystery to it. So change it into something else and take the heat off the bottle itself.

I change glass into aluminium as a recycling bit then remove the can and eventually make the bottle vanish. At 3 am someone might wake-up and figure the bottle somehow fit in the can, which is impossible, but that's exactly what you want, If it vanishes alone then it follows the theory "that if it's not in one hand it must be in the other" and the effect is lessened.

Keep them guessing.

No you can not keep the bag in your pocket. It's all balled-up and is tossed asside. it would leave a big buldge, at least,
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Actually...
If you line the bag with some heavy duty foil, you can crush the bag and bottle and it will stay crushed.
You could put it in your coat pocket then, if it's not still too big.

Randi
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I Vanish a Nielsen Champagne Bottle, wrapped in a white towel and set into an Abbott's Foster-Chavez Coin Pail as I get into my Miser's Dream Routine. It's a good segue trick.

Champagne-Bottle Sized paper bags are readily available for sale at liquor stores and wine departments.

randirain's advice about lining a paper with foil is a good one. My experience is that bigger bottles are better (the vanish just seems that more amazing), BUT, you can use Nielsen Bottles for transpositions, too.

I have a fun routine I do for kids at Library Shows with a Full and Clear Nielsen Ketchup Bottles (Yeah..I got the Heinz)...and a Tomatoe from the Michael Ammar Fab Fruit Collection that plays well.

I happen to be fond of Norm's props!

And I'm even more fond of Norm's skill as a World-Class magician!!!
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As for the full Coke bottle, Martin Lewis has a nice deviation from the run of the mill vanishing bottle, on his DVD Making Miracles Vol 1.
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Yeah, Norm's ok. We had booths across from each other at the IBM convention and goofed around when there was no traffic.

Bottles: I never remember to remove the bottle from the bag until setting-up for the next show (which can be days later). Would foil cause the bottle to wear out sooner because it's bent more acutely?
and would it allow the bottle to vanish flat enough when pocketed?

If you could fold the bag at two equal distances and slide it in your inside jacket pocket, that would be very disarming. You'd get the bag from your pocket and put it back in the same pocket. Very sleek.

Then if you removed the "same bag" later, to put something in and give it to your assistant.. they take it back to their seat.
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NN also sells gizmos to vanish a real bottle or do bottle thru the table close-up
Odilon
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Thanks everybody for your useful advices.

I think I will go for the beer bottle.
Is it possible to take the label from a real beer bottle and glue it to the nielsen bottle?

I was also wondering if is possible to produce the bottle from an egg bag. At the end of the routine everyone is relaxing thinking it's over and the volunteer is showing around the egg he just produced, so I though I could load the bottle inside the bag. What do you think about it?

Thanks again.
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Yes, it is possible to use a real beer bottle label and glue it on, then you can throw the bottle away because you distroyed it.

No you cannot use it as a load to an egg bag routine.

See here: http://www.nnmagic.com/magicitems/vanishingbottlespage.htm They sell replica replacement labels.
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On 2010-09-07 12:48, Odilon wrote:
Thanks everybody for your useful advices.

I think I will go for the beer bottle.
Is it possible to take the label from a real beer bottle and glue it to the nielsen bottle?

I was also wondering if is possible to produce the bottle from an egg bag. At the end of the routine everyone is relaxing thinking it's over and the volunteer is showing around the egg he just produced, so I though I could load the bottle inside the bag. What do you think about it?

Thanks again.


You can use a real label from a real bottle without destroying your bottle.
You just have to use the right glue.
Don't go with any '3M Spray 90' or anything like that.
But a weak water based glue will hold the label on long enough for you to do the trick.
Just know that after you have vanished the bottle, that label is pretty much done.

I took one of the green bottles, printed my own Avery label, and made a rum bottle.
That kind of "stickem" isn't going to permanently stick to the bottle.

As for producing it from an egg bag, or any bag...
Simon Drake used to produce them.
Using real labels might pose a problem though.
But the ones made for it will work.

Randi
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I guess it is a personal choice. I do not drink and perform mostly for kids. So I prefer non-alcoholic bottles. My choice is the clear empty coke bottle because you do not have to fuss with labels or liquid or caps and it does look like glass. I was also lucky to be going through a Magic shop's used section and came across a brand new Heinz Vanishing Ketchup bottle. I usually have the bottle change into something else like Mustard then "vanish" it. There are many great ideas on how to present the Vanishing bottles. I thought the effect was overdone. However, it still gets a good reaction and I enjoy performing it!
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I have an empty coke bottle, but it is now discolored and sticky.
Is there any way this can be cleaned, or refurbished?
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On Oct 7, 2018, magicmonk wrote:
I have an empty coke bottle, but it is now discolored and sticky.
Is there any way this can be cleaned, or refurbished?



I see this question all the time.To answer your question, use lighter fluid to clean the the bottle. After cleaning, store in a a zip lock freezer bag. It is made of vinyl, it should not be left out in the open to collect dirt and dust.
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I find non-adhesive static cling vinyl works the best. First use hot water to reform your bottle after a show. Then apply your static vinyl while the bottle still has a few spots of water on it. Looks good as new every time. If you need some cool new labels, check out www.disappearinghotsauce.com
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I guess I am lucky. My clear vanishing coke bottle looks fine. All I do is clean it with armour all and keep it stored in it's original tube in a cool dark place and I have had it for years. Cheers!
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I have the bear bottle and do the same to keep it looking new. Print the copied labels on my inkjet printer, for a one time use, and I am good to go.
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